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      01-28-2013, 05:56 PM   #1
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Chip for 535..Where do you start?

Hello everyone,

New to the forum and recently new F10 owner..

i am looking into getting a performance chip for my 535 xdrive. I feel like there are so many out there and once i find one i like, there are several different types. Can you guys help me out and give me some reccomendations??

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      01-29-2013, 04:01 AM   #2
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There is the JB4 (Juice Box) tune available for the F10 N55



http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...&highlight=jb4

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...&highlight=jb4
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Highly recommend the Burger tune
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Yes, JB4 is about the only one out here. You just have to check and see if your car has the CANBUS to hook up stage two, if not you have to run the N55 that is what I'm running. I would also get the USB cable so you can adjust the boost.

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Agreed. I got this tune and really like it. More responsive, more power at low and mid RPMs, etc
You won't regret it.
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      01-29-2013, 11:31 AM   #6
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Yes, JB4 is about the only one out here. You just have to check and see if your car has the CANBUS to hook up stage two, if not you have to run the N55 that is what I'm running. I would also get the USB cable so you can adjust the boost.
Thanks everyone,

The only thing i was confused about is the stage 1 and stage 2? can i jump right into the stage 2 jb4?? How do i know if i can or cannot, i have a 2013 535xdrive MSport
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you can also get a tune from ETG. I'm using that tune at the moment.
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Thanks everyone,

The only thing i was confused about is the stage 1 and stage 2? can i jump right into the stage 2 jb4?? How do i know if i can or cannot, i have a 2013 535xdrive MSport
you need to check and see if you have the CANBUS hook up see this link below

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16620

go the the passenger side under the hood, in the back near the hood cylinder, lift up the plastic cover and see if you have that configuration
in the picture, if you do then you can run stage two, if not you can only run stage one or N55
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If you want a piggy back (similar to JB4) there's also the Hartge, I believe.

Regarding the JB4... if you have questions, you can just email Terry or go straight to Burger's site (www.burgertuning.com) which has most/all the info you need. Terry is pretty responsive over email.
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you can also get a tune from ETG. I'm using that tune at the moment.
I might be heading back to Cali in the next month and might give this a try.
Did you get a before and after dyno?
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who's ETG? Never heard of them before and what are their advertised HP/TQ increase for the N55?

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who's ETG? Never heard of them before and what are their advertised HP/TQ increase for the N55?

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On their website blog it states 60/79 on their 2012 f10 535i
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Strange. I've never heard of them in all the years i've been into modding. I'm assuming they need to remove the ecu and bench flash it.

L7AS - any before and after dynos?

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On their website blog it states 60/79 on their 2012 f10 535i
Do you have a link to this? I looked but didn't find any info on the F10 except the price. The dyno graph was for a 2008 535i. Thanks!
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Do you have a link to this? I looked but didn't find any info on the F10 except the price. The dyno graph was for a 2008 535i. Thanks!
Found it
http://ecutuninggroup.com/bmw-535i-f...012-ecu-tuning
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Strange. I've never heard of them in all the years i've been into modding. I'm assuming they need to remove the ecu and bench flash it.

L7AS - any before and after dynos?

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I might be heading back to Cali in the next month and might give this a try.
Did you get a before and after dyno?
Hey guys, I did not have before and after dynos. I was quite busy back then. I was going to get one few days ago, but I decided to change to JB4 Stage 2. My brother just got a 640i GC, and I decided to give the ETG tune to him (Jags Gill himself reprogrammed the box for the F07), and get the JB4 stage 2.
Also, we can adjust the boost in the ETG tune by using flathead screwdriver. Default is set at "6", but if you ever fill the car with race gas, try and set it to "7". It should increase the gain by 4%.

Alan - the ECU was not removed. it was the same PnP tune.

Some differences I notice between them:
- ETG pushes the car harder on higher RPMs (around 4+), whereas the JB4 has more power on lower RPMs.
- In terms of lag, the JB4 has lesser.

I would try to get dynos on my brother's car (ETG) and mine (JB4 S2), and post them.
Not anytime soon though.


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So the ETG is just a piggyback?
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So the ETG is just a piggyback?
Correct
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Strange. I've never heard of them in all the years i've been into modding. I'm assuming they need to remove the ecu and bench flash it.

L7AS - any before and after dynos?

Alan
Hey Alan, I have had my eye on AFE SCORCHER Module for around $500, Put up to 40hp and 80lbs. x ft. torque. What's your opinion? If you were asked about BurgerTuning stage 2 vs AFE Scorcher what would you suggest and why??
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Hey guys, I did not have before and after dynos. I was quite busy back then. I was going to get one few days ago, but I decided to change to JB4 Stage 2. My brother just got a 640i GC, and I decided to give the ETG tune to him (Jags Gill himself reprogrammed the box for the F07), and get the JB4 stage 2.
Also, we can adjust the boost in the ETG tune by using flathead screwdriver. Default is set at "6", but if you ever fill the car with race gas, try and set it to "7". It should increase the gain by 4%.

Alan - the ECU was not removed. it was the same PnP tune.

Some differences I notice between them:
- ETG pushes the car harder on higher RPMs (around 4+), whereas the JB4 has more power on lower RPMs.
- In terms of lag, the JB4 has lesser.

I would try to get dynos on my brother's car (ETG) and mine (JB4 S2), and post them.
Not anytime soon though.
So you think the Jb4 is better than the ETG? I talked to Jags today.....I guess the quest for a proper n55 tune continues. I'm running jb4 stage1 but really looking for an ecu tune..
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So you think the Jb4 is better than the ETG? I talked to Jags today.....I guess the quest for a proper n55 tune continues. I'm running jb4 stage1 but really looking for an ecu tune..
hmm, not really though. I just went for a dinner and when I was driving, I actually felt like the car isn't pushing as hard as Jags' tune. As the RPM goes higher, Jags' tune gives out more power.
When I hit the pedal all the way, JB's tune responds faster but not as powerful, whereas Jags' tune will respond a bit slower but more powerful.

This is what I actually noticed. Haven't seen any dynos yet. but, as soon as I can dyno both cars, I will post them up.
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Yes Dynos will tell the full story here. Bmw's ecu's react very differently day to day and also based on how you were last driving it. Even with my old N54 car some days it would feel like a rocket and some days it just doesn't have the same kick to it. Could be due to various reasons.

If the ETG tune is just a piggyback its probably similar to the BMS stage1 or the AFE tunes. They are basically tricking the ECU to push out more boost by giving it false readings through the same/similar signals.

Can comment about the AFE version because i don't know anyone who has it. AFE isn't known for ecu tuning so i would be skeptical honestly. Could be just a rebadged/package of a JB S 1 honestly or very similar.
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