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07-09-2014, 05:18 PM | #45 | |
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I see no need to be driving along at 45mph at 2500rpm, it's a diesel after all, so I put the gearbox in manual and do my own shifts, but that kind of counter the point of having an auomatic. I know it can be configured, bit that also removes the enhanced throttle of the sports mode which I do like. What I would like to have in sport is suspension and throttle settings, but not the transmission running those high revs. That could be reserved for sport+. Dont know if anyone else feel the same way. |
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07-10-2014, 04:00 AM | #46 | |
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I've read somewhere recently that BMW are moving to better option selection. Can't remember for what model range it was being discussed, so no reference to go back to. Someone else may also recall reading about it... HighlandPete |
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07-17-2014, 01:39 PM | #47 | |
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As a driver i want super comfy soft ride. Handling is not so important for me. So the question is: Assuming that both of these BMW 535i cars have 17" NON-runflat tires which one would be softer in bad roads: the one with base suspension or the one with dynamic handling package? |
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07-17-2014, 08:30 PM | #49 | |
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So, my advice: - If you want soft ALL the time, get the standard suspension. Keep it OR replace it with something else. - If you want soft SOME of the time, and sporty SOME of the time, get DHP.
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07-18-2014, 07:27 AM | #50 |
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On Tuesday of this week I took delivery of my new 535d with the DHP package. After driving it a few days, I have a couple of updates.
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07-18-2014, 08:53 PM | #51 | |
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07-20-2014, 04:52 PM | #53 |
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Actually, I get Camry rental cars all the time, and their suspensions are tuned quite a bit firmer these days than the Comfort setting on my F10.
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07-21-2014, 06:31 AM | #55 | |
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Some of my local roads are just too badly surfaced to drive in sport suspension mode. Plus I carry passengers, who like a decent ride quality. Best of all worlds to have a BMW and be able to set the suspension mode to driving mood and conditions. HighlandPete |
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07-22-2014, 07:07 AM | #56 | |
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But BMW isn't the only one building this kind of system. GM is usually mentioned as the pioneer when it put magna-ride on it's Vette back in the 70's. I understood it best when I saw the attached Land Rover visualization of how the computer controlled dynamic dampers extend the operating range in various dimensions in their Evoque as compared to their passive suspension.
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07-22-2014, 08:57 AM | #57 |
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One aspect of this discussion that hasn't come up yet is the cost to fix DHP down the road when it breaks. I realize most of us lease - self included at this point - but I have to believe that somebody is going to have some really bad days at the repair shop at about 85,000 miles.
I feel the same about PDK on a Porsche. As cool as it is, I might avoid it it I were going to push one down the road. I had a 2004 Audi allroad, which had the adjustable air suspension. It was primitive compared to DHP - there was an actual airbag at each corner. They started breaking on me at 65,000 miles and each one was $1300 to fix.
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08-22-2014, 06:29 PM | #58 |
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Maybe DHP will cost a fortune to fix, but that is why one has extended warranty. I have a 2012 550xi with DHP and is fully loaded, it took months to find up here in Canada. The main point is DHP gives you the option of comfort for rough roads and sports when required, to me it is the perfect balance, plus I have not had any problems with the car what so ever.........it's bloody amazing to drive. When I had a RS4, I thought nothing would come close for excitement, but this car with m sport, DHP, shifters, stereo, vented seats, comfort access..beats the RS4.......all I can say is if u are going to spend this kind of money, get what u really want and u will be happy....I hope.
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08-22-2014, 09:30 PM | #59 | |
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09-01-2014, 06:47 PM | #60 |
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I test drove a lot of cars before picking my 550xi with DHP. Base suspension drives like a boat and steering is incredible devoid of any feel at all. I've also driven the M Sport suspension for the RWD vehicles and it is good. However, there's nothing comparable to the DHP.
The Cadillac V is better pushing to the limit and feel but everyday is not as pleasant as the 5. The Mercedes E series drives soft and somewhat sporty. But you push it and it's shaky. The Audi is a very balanced and almost as good as a 5 with DHP. You get what you pay for. A 5 series with DHP is a lot of money. My car drives soft when I want it to and corners flat when I push it. There's some weird quirkiness with it especially when the low gear start but overall, it's a solid drivetrain. The 5 series with DHP isn't the most comfortable ride but it's close. It isn't the most sporty ride but it's up there. It can't be tossed around like my 2014 Mazda3 2.5S hatchback but it'll hold onto every corner flat and in control. I don't think I've driven a better car under $100k that is a jack of all trades. |
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09-01-2014, 10:10 PM | #62 | |
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09-02-2014, 01:40 PM | #64 | |
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Thought I feel that lots of people are a bit harsh on "normal" setting. While I personally prefer "sport", I find that lots of time I'll just leave it in "normal" mode and still be quite happy with the ride. Not "amazing" but pretty good/fun to drive comparing to lots of others in the same class. (A6 handling/performance is very comparable to 535i with DHP in sport mode in my opinion) DHP for me at least was deciding factor, and it truly does transform the car, but it's still quite enjoyable to drive in normal mode. While I was initially somewhat unimpressed with handling in normal mode, over time you learn to appreciate what it has to offer (perhaps I just got used to it, cannot tell for sure). I don't think these were design to handle as well as 3 or 4 series just due to sheer size and weight of the car. I would guess BMW didn't have quite the same type of buyer in mind for these either. |
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09-02-2014, 02:58 PM | #65 |
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I think the DHP on the xDrive F10 might be under-employed. The suspension differences between Comfort and Sport, in that car, simply are not substantial. I can definitely tell which one I'm in, but it's not a difference I want to pay $3500 for.
My wife hated my sport suspension E60. My expectation with DHP was that, in Sport mode, it would be stiff enough to generate similar complaints from her, provoking me to run it in Comfort mode with her in the car. She's never said a word in a year. And I can see why; the car just isn't that tightly strung in any mode. I think the Sport mode on the xDrive F10 suspension settings should be 15-20% stiffer than they are. As it is, the car is just fine in Sport mode all the time, meaning that I would have been better off saving the money with the 704.
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09-03-2014, 02:51 PM | #66 | |
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I guess you are not a driver who sees the finer characteristics of a continuously adaptive system as translating to a better system. I know some like the predictability of a passive system, constant stiffness, etc., I'm one who gets the "soft where possible, firm when required" approach, which is where, IMO, adaptive suspension scores highly. ARS changes the game for needing a continuously tight feeling suspension, roll control 'on demand' only, changes the feel completely. HighlandPete |
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