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      10-19-2012, 09:08 AM   #111
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Let me bring some real insider news(don't ask me where I got it and who I am but you will see).

Start 2nd half of next year, N55/N55HP will be replaced by an newer version of N55, power goes up ~10-15% and wil start with F32, F10 LCI and F15 X5(Sorry, no current F30 sedan), then all cars with N series L6 Turbo in the next 2-3 yrs(includes F30 LCI). This will reduce the SKU and hence lower the overall cost.

The all new N series L6 turbo engine under R&D now is coded N58, displacement very likely stays the same but while its N55 predecessor uses a single twin scroll turbocharger, the N58 is going back with twin-turbochargers again however with one twin scroll turbocharger and the other one is not! Power target is 370-400hp range. It's going to hit the market between 2016-2018(2016 the earliest), which is the perfect timing for all new 5/X3 series, F32 LCI, F15 LCI, etc...
So you're saying there's an immediate update to the N55 coming with about 330 hp, and then there's a new 6 cylinder turbo in the works for 2016 that's about 370hp?? And by "L6" do you mean "I6"? Seems excessive....

See this thread, it pretty much invalidates iceman335's source and info:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759940
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      10-19-2012, 10:32 AM   #112
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So they finally realize the steering sucks big time on the current F10!? I sometimes wonder if they hired monkeys to test drive the car during the design stage.
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      10-19-2012, 11:02 AM   #113
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Whatever. This car is beautiful. Hardly any change for LCi


Why fix what ain't broke? One of the best looking sedans ever made. And I don't own one.
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      10-19-2012, 11:05 AM   #114
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See this thread, it pretty much invalidates iceman335's source and info:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759940
Yup the insider confessed he fooled me on the picture since he doesn't want me to ask too many questions, but I still trust at least 70% of what he have said because I know where he works at.
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      10-19-2012, 11:23 AM   #115
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Yup the insider confessed he fooled me on the picture since he doesn't want me to ask too many questions, but I still trust at least 70% of what he have said because I know where he works at.
wow what a tool
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      10-19-2012, 11:25 AM   #116
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See this thread, it pretty much invalidates iceman335's source and info:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759940
Yup the insider confessed he fooled me on the picture since he doesn't want me to ask too many questions, but I still trust at least 70% of what he have said because I know where he works at.
If he fooled you on purpose with the photo then 0% of what he says is trustworthy :

You said in a past post he's just an intern. No way he knows this kind of info as just an intern IMHO. BMW isn't going to share with an intern this kind of info which could give competitors a huge advantage.

Please tell your friend to stop playing BMW insider and messing with people.
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If he fooled you on purpose with the photo then 0% of what he says is trustworthy :

You said in a past post he's just an intern. No way he knows this kind of info as just an intern IMHO. BMW isn't going to share with an intern this kind of info which could give competitors a huge advantage.

Please tell your friend to stop playing BMW insider and messing with people.
Thanks Chris, I guess I will just treat this as a rumor or his own opinion
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      10-19-2012, 11:50 AM   #118
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Whatever. This car is beautiful. Hardly any change for LCi


Why fix what ain't broke? One of the best looking sedans ever made. And I don't own one.
disagree - one of the most blandest looking front-ends in the segment. and the wheelbase is way too long on the profile. The 3/4 and rear view is great, however. I think it does need the front-end update after 3 yrs rather than 4.
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      10-19-2012, 03:34 PM   #119
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Did the E92 M3 receive the same update as the standard E92?
only the tail lights and some interior tweaks I believe....
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      10-20-2012, 04:24 AM   #120
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Fix the news line , square headlights will only be on LED option headlights , the circle headlights remains Xenon , like in new F01 lci and X6.
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      10-26-2012, 02:12 PM   #121
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Nothing on this LCI really is that exciting IMO.

- LED headlights - nice feature but im not spending 2k getting it.
- Not a fan of squared off angel eyes, i like them round.
- Turn signals on mirrors - Not important
- Tailights look the same - Seem to have 5 slimmer horizontal tube lines like the E60 LCI

Interior will not change except for NAV update and new gauges.

Looking forward to:
- Updated Steering
- Better Suspension (Looking at the test mule, it still sits so high - where are the days of perfect stance with sport suspension like the E39 and E60 had ????)
- New Engines, more power
One difference that I noticed in rear lights, is that white reverse light was moved closer to inside of the lights. Reverse light on current models is attached to the edge of rear lights.
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      10-26-2012, 02:15 PM   #122
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Tailights are indeed the same, not slimmer (5) or different than current models. Likely they'll stay the same just get darker plastic like what happened for the F01 LCI refresh.
Not the same. At least reverse light position changed. Although I don't see the point of moving it to the 'middle', very minor change that nobody even noticed and not necessarily a good one.
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      10-26-2012, 02:47 PM   #123
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Not the same. At least reverse light position changed. Although I don't see the point of moving it to the 'middle', very minor change that nobody even noticed and not necessarily a good one.
I didn't catch that, but the "light pipes" are the same, which is what he was referring to.
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      10-26-2012, 05:32 PM   #124
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According to the first post: "The tail light graphics will receive a new look". To me that means more than the lens itself, but rather the way the strips are positioned. I guess time will tell
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Any chance of the touring being sold in the US for 2014? I'd hold off on a purchase if it will be available.
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Any chance of the touring being sold in the US for 2014? I'd hold off on a purchase if it will be available.
There has been talk about it, as 5-series GT sales have been subpar (didn't help that it launched as a 550i RWD, then it took a while to get the AWD version and 535i variant). Still though, sales of the wagon have never been strong, so BMW may claim despite the feeble GT sales, it still outsold the prior E6x wagon...
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What?!

Are they serious?? The 5 series hasn't been out for long at all..

I know it has been out for 2+ years, but it doesn't feel like it at all. May be I just feel like that coz I don't see much of them on the road, it seems like the F10 5 series isn't as successful as the E60 although it's a way better car! may be that's why BMW wants to refresh it a year early! For example here in Australia I see way more Mercs E class than 5 series! Not sure why though?! opposed to the E60 generation back 2005, they were everywhere, and you'd see one E class or one Audi A6 for every 5 or 6 E60 5 series back then! strange?!

The current E class Mercedes was released before the F10 5 series and it hasn't been face-lifted yet!

Also I'd imagine that the Cadillac CTS, Jaguar XF, Merc E class and the New Audi A6 designs would appeal more to a lot of people than the 5 series. The 5 series is just too classic compared to other cars! The E class for example has a lot of sharp edges and corners in it's body designs which definitely makes it look very aggressive! Just imagine how cool the 5 series would look like if it had a similar aggressive fascia like the one in the F30 3 series.. The F10 just looks so weak/classic! It looks like a car from 2004 or 2005 lol

This is only my opinion of course, so it doesn't mean much! Also I know 2 guys in their 50s that were looking to buy a car in that segment and both of them avoided the 5 series coz it looks like a 3 series from a distance! BMW still can't understand that if someone spends a lot of money on a 5 or 7 series he would want it to look totally distinctive from the cheaper models, he would want others to know that he didn't go for the lower model class! Think of how different does the E class look compared to the S class and then have a look at how similar the F01 7 series, F10 5 series look like.. *sigh*
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the f10's been around since late 2009 around europe so the lci is coming around the 3 1/2 - 4 year mark.

the w212 e class has been around since the beginning of 2009 and will have a facelift beginning of next year. Will no longer have 4 piece front light lens, being replaced with 2 front lenses. Interior will look similar to the CLS, spy shots have been around for a while for the w212.

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Are they serious?? The 5 series hasn't been out for long at all..

I know it has been out for 2+ years, but it doesn't feel like it at all. May be I just feel like that coz I don't see much of them on the road, it seems like the F10 5 series isn't as successful as the E60 although it's a way better car! may be that's why BMW wants to refresh it a year early! For example here in Australia I see way more Mercs E class than 5 series! Not sure why though?! opposed to the E60 generation back 2005, they were everywhere, and you'd see one E class or one Audi A6 for every 5 or 6 E60 5 series back then! strange?!

The current E class Mercedes was released before the F10 5 series and it hasn't been face-lifted yet!

Also I'd imagine that the Cadillac CTS, Jaguar XF, Merc E class and the New Audi A6 designs would appeal more to a lot of people than the 5 series. The 5 series is just too classic compared to other cars! The E class for example has a lot of sharp edges and corners in it's body designs which definitely makes it look very aggressive! Just imagine how cool the 5 series would look like if it had a similar aggressive fascia like the one in the F30 3 series.. The F10 just looks so weak/classic! It looks like a car from 2004 or 2005 lol

This is only my opinion of course, so it doesn't mean much! Also I know 2 guys in their 50s that were looking to buy a car in that segment and both of them avoided the 5 series coz it looks like a 3 series from a distance! BMW still can't understand that if someone spends a lot of money on a 5 or 7 series he would want it to look totally distinctive from the cheaper models, he would want others to know that he didn't go for the lower model class! Think of how different does the E class look compared to the S class and then have a look at how similar the F01 7 series, F10 5 series look like.. *sigh*
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Are they serious?? The 5 series hasn't been out for long at all..

I know it has been out for 2+ years, but it doesn't feel like it at all. May be I just feel like that coz I don't see much of them on the road, it seems like the F10 5 series isn't as successful as the E60 although it's a way better car! may be that's why BMW wants to refresh it a year early! For example here in Australia I see way more Mercs E class than 5 series! Not sure why though?!*
Doing a routine facelift in the middle of a model's life isn't an indication that they aren't selling. In fact, given that there is currently a 2 month wait for an F10 production slot, it appears that they are still selling very well.

As for not seeing them on the roads, it must depend on where you are. I'm in Sydney and I see a lot more F10s than recent model A6s, and although there are a lot of E Class Mercs in some suburbs there are (overall) no more new ones than there are F10s.

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As for regular 5 series production....

E60 5 series came out in 2004. Facelift came as a 2008.
F10 5 series came out in 2011. Facelift comes as a 2014.

Based on this... It is coming a year sooner then the previous E60!
No, F10 5 series came out 2010, so nothing has changed. You're just aging and thus time is seeming to pass more quickly. I have the same problem
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There has been talk about it, as 5-series GT sales have been subpar (didn't help that it launched as a 550i RWD, then it took a while to get the AWD version and 535i variant). Still though, sales of the wagon have never been strong, so BMW may claim despite the feeble GT sales, it still outsold the prior E6x wagon...
In the US the combined sales four variants of the F07 peaked at 2,850, whereas the the single variant of the E60 touring peaked at 2,350. Even in its worse year the E60 still outsold the F07 on a per variant basis. BMWUSA took a conservative approach and only forecast combined sales for the F07 ay 8,000 units or 2,000 units per variant. It has been implied that two vairants of the F07 and two variants of the F11 would have resulted in more sales.
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