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      10-13-2013, 07:43 AM   #1
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2013 vs 2014

There are some really great deals in Canada on remaining 2013 F10s. On a moderately optioned car, I can save about $8,000 compared to a 2014 LCI car. Are there enough changes for 2014 to make it a must have compared to the 2013 models?

Also, I really wanted a white car with M Sport, Executive Pkg and Heads Up, but can't find one with Heads Up in Canada in white. I've had so many silver cars. Should I go for the colour or the Heads Up option? How many people get this option. If you have it, what choice would you make?

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      10-13-2013, 07:55 AM   #2
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well 550 has power bump by 10%. There is LED headlights.

If you are leasing, go for the '13 since you don't own the car and the objective is to pay the lowest $ per month.
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well 550 has power bump by 10%. There is LED headlights.

If you are leasing, go for the '13 since you don't own the car and the objective is to pay the lowest $ per month.
I'd be getting a 535 X Drive, which I've found to have plenty of power for me. The MSRP on the 2013 including freight is about $78,000 and the dealer will sell it for $66,000 cash (or I can lease it). If I buy a 2014, the base price is up $1,750, no $5,000 cash from BMW and the dealer will discount 5% instead of 9%.

I haven't decided whether I would lease or purchase outright, but at .9% lease rate it is a low cost way to drive for 39 months and decide then whether I want to buy it out or move to a different model.
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I went with the 2013 and the savings. Mostly missing the better comfort seats. Otherwise the '13 is fine. I don't believe the nav changes are meaningful. Of course if you order you can have exactly what you want . . . Sort of.
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      10-13-2013, 09:00 AM   #5
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I went with the 2013 and the savings. Mostly missing the better comfort seats. Otherwise the '13 is fine. I don't believe the nav changes are meaningful. Of course if you order you can have exactly what you want . . . Sort of.
I didn't realize there was a difference in the seats, but I find the current seats pretty comfortable. In Canada, for 2014 the car is up $1,750 and to get a heads up display option I have to take another $3,000 package of stuff I don't really need. BMW in Canada seems to following Porsche by adding allot of stuff you really want in options that can drive the cost of the car up quickly. For me, $75,000 (MSRP) is enough for a car, but the 2014 is $83,000 with all of the options I want. To avoid the excess, I'm considering the 2013 and just giving up on. Heads up display if I can't find one.
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I didn't realize there was a difference in the seats, but I find the current seats pretty comfortable. In Canada, for 2014 the car is up $1,750 and to get a heads up display option I have to take another $3,000 package of stuff I don't really need. BMW in Canada seems to following Porsche by adding allot of stuff you really want in options that can drive the cost of the car up quickly. For me, $75,000 (MSRP) is enough for a car, but the 2014 is $83,000 with all of the options I want. To avoid the excess, I'm considering the 2013 and just giving up on. Heads up display if I can't find one.
In the US configuration, the F10 comfort seats have not had adjustable side bolsters, as they do in other markets. (I think it's a concession to that part of American exceptionalism that involves exceptional body weight.) For 2014, they're back. HUD is nice; the car I found doesn't have it, and I don't really miss it, especially given the discount opportunities available now for left-over cars in stock.
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Go for the '13. If the payment is less, and it should be considering the discount you mentioned, then go for it. You're not getting a totally different car with the '14, only slight tweaks here and there, not enough to have a higher monthly payment. And since you want a. 535, power will be the same on both '13 & '14 models.
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'13 - Given the benefits of low interest rate + good factory incentive + good dealer discount. If you are unsure to lease or buy outright, I recommend going with the lease, then you can buy it out later.

'14 - only go for this if the '13 does not have the option/pkgs/color that you like which forces you to go to '14. 5% discount is low. Try 6.5-7%, that would be the typical going discount, if you push the dealer to make a deal. If dealer says no, then move on to the next dealer. For a bit of work, you may end up saving $1000. Do keep in mind that to ask for any loyalty & fleet incentive program on your potential purchase to get additional discounts (directly from BMW Canada)


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I'd be getting a 535 X Drive, which I've found to have plenty of power for me. The MSRP on the 2013 including freight is about $78,000 and the dealer will sell it for $66,000 cash (or I can lease it). If I buy a 2014, the base price is up $1,750, no $5,000 cash from BMW and the dealer will discount 5% instead of 9%.

I haven't decided whether I would lease or purchase outright, but at .9% lease rate it is a low cost way to drive for 39 months and decide then whether I want to buy it out or move to a different model.
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I drove both a 2013 and 2014 and you can't tell much of a difference IMHO. If I found a great deal (like you did) on a 2013, I would do it. The changes are super minor and barely noticeable.

If I were in your shoes, I would buy or lease the 2013 at the lower price.
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I'm in the same boat whether to get 13 550 or 14. For a lease I can save probably $250 mth getting a '13 with more options than a '14 with just msport.

My only dilemma is I cant find a '13 with msport and DHP together. My current 2011 550ix has DHP and find it a night-and-day difference with a non-DHP car.
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      10-13-2013, 08:26 PM   #11
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I'm in the same boat whether to get 13 550 or 14. For a lease I can save probably $250 mth getting a '13 with more options than a '14 with just msport.

My only dilemma is I cant find a '13 with msport and DHP together. My current 2011 550ix has DHP and find it a night-and-day difference with a non-DHP car.
I'd like a car with DHP, but I haven't seen a 535 with it in a 13' model and on the Canadian build site, it is gone for 14' unless you go to a 550, which I think is overkill for me. I'm starting to think I'll take a 13' in my second colour choice if I can find one with Heads Up. If not I'm going to get a 13' without it, but with exec, MSport and apps. Tech if available, but not necessary. There is a silver one not too far from me that can be had for around $65,500 (plus taxes) off of a $78,000 msrp (freight in). It is only missing Heads Up.

What would your colour choices be (other than carbon black)?
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I'll take a 13' in my second colour choice if I can find one with Heads Up.

I wouldn't sweat the HUD. I thought it was a must have as well when I picked my car up. And though it is kind of cool, for me it is more of a novelty I rarely use. The main reason is that in daytime, at least if you live in a predominantly sunny place, you can't view the display if you are wearing polarized sunglasses. I know many are big fans, but I wouldn't pick or not pick a car based exclusively on this option.
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The DHP is now called 'adaptive drive' in the options section. $3500 option. As for HUD, it's decent but nothing necessary.
If I couldn't find CB my second choice would be dark grey.
For me it's the 445hp that keeps me thinking of the 2014. But I would prob get a 2013 when it all comes down to it
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http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=900836

here is the detailed changes on 14 LCI in pdf
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The pre LCI Look better imo.

The headlights and tailights on preLCI cars have visible leds which look so much nicer.
On 2014 u need to get the $2000 LEd headlight for it took look decent.
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I feel the opposite and I had both.

The LCI rear lights looks almost the same so no difference there. Still full LED.

The fronts while the pre lci does have led turn signals the actual lights of the LCI looks nicer to me. Don't even talk about the LED headlights because those look like a work of art when you see them up close.

That said to me the biggest improvement with the LCI over the old one is

Side bolsters back - Sounds like something simple but these really make the car feel so much more sporty since it hugs you in the seat.

Improved steering and handling - You need to go test drive both to really see if you notice the difference. I do and I love the way the LCI feels.

Touchpad for the idrive - Big benefit if you use the navigation feature a lot to enter in addresses. Otherwise its just a cool feature anyone could live without.

That said it really comes down to the price difference. If it was $200 more per month for the LCI then I would go with the 13. You can look at it like a 14 535 or a 13 550.....i would go with the 550.

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I feel the opposite and I had both.

The LCI rear lights looks almost the same so no difference there. Still full LED.

The fronts while the pre lci does have led turn signals the actual lights of the LCI looks nicer to me. Don't even talk about the LED headlights because those look like a work of art when you see them up close.

That said to me the biggest improvement with the LCI over the old one is

Side bolsters back - Sounds like something simple but these really make the car feel so much more sporty since it hugs you in the seat.

Improved steering and handling - You need to go test drive both to really see if you notice the difference. I do and I love the way the LCI feels.

Touchpad for the idrive - Big benefit if you use the navigation feature a lot to enter in addresses. Otherwise its just a cool feature anyone could live without.

That said it really comes down to the price difference. If it was $200 more per month for the LCI then I would go with the 13. You can look at it like a 14 535 or a 13 550.....i would go with the 550.

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Thanks Alan,

As I may have written, while I like the performance of the 550 XDrive, I don't think I'd be able to exploit its capability in the city of 750,000 I live in. We are beset by photo radar, red light camera speed radar, school zone radar and regular police on the highways. 12 mph over on the highway nets a $375.00 fine and 2 demerits. OK, I know your going to say I should just get a bicycle.

As to LCI vs non LCI, I'd like better steering feel if I could get it, but building a new car with similar options means a cost increase of about $8,000 - $10,000 or about $300 or so on a lease. If I grab a lightly optioned M Sport without HUD, I can be out the door before taxes for $62,000 vs $75,000 for the same car LCI.

Given that for some members of our family, expensive cars aren't a priority, I like to exercise some degree of restraint. I recently drove a 2013 528 X Drive my colleague had for a service loaner for 3 days. It didn't exhibit any wandering or pull to the right the earlier cars exhibited, but it did feel a bit artificial compared to my last BMW (1999 540i). Having said that, the only car with electric steering I have driven that felt perfect was a new 911 (991 series).

I think I can alive with the pre LCI steering (I don't hear too many people on the forum complaining about it) and while the car I am likely to find doesn't have all of the toys I would pick if money was no object (ACC, Tech, Nigh-time Driver Assist), that car would sticker in Canada for $85,000 so maybe I'm better to avoid the temptation.
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I'd be getting a 535 X Drive, which I've found to have plenty of power for me. The MSRP on the 2013 including freight is about $78,000 and the dealer will sell it for $66,000 cash (or I can lease it). If I buy a 2014, the base price is up $1,750, no $5,000 cash from BMW and the dealer will discount 5% instead of 9%.

I haven't decided whether I would lease or purchase outright, but at .9% lease rate it is a low cost way to drive for 39 months and decide then whether I want to buy it out or move to a different model.
Is there really $5k available from BMW right now on the 13's?
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... in daytime, at least if you live in a predominantly sunny place, you can't view the display if you are wearing polarized sunglasses. ...
I had been told this and found it untrue in my test drive. The HUD was diminished with the polarized sunglasses but not eliminated. I have very expensive prescription sunglasses made by a national company so it's not an issue of cheap glasses or anything. YMMV
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Is there really $5k available from BMW right now on the 13's?

OP is from Canada...different programs than the US
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Is there really $5k available from BMW right now on the 13's?
In Canada and .9% lease rate
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The LCI details are also available in a 106 page /pdf format. I've looked through the changes (535 X Drive) and the only one that I think would really benefit me is the change in the way the auto start stop function has been updated to avoid a torque thump when you start off again. The documentation shows that this change was made prior to the start of the LCI production, but doesn't say when in '13 the change was made. Does anyone know? I'm looking at a '13 M Sport/Executive/Apps and am able to purchase at invoice. I have to pay to freight it to me though because it is half way across the country. The improved steering feel would be a benefit, but I wonder how much difference there is in the X Drive as those cars don't use EPS, but rather HPS.
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