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      05-25-2010, 10:31 AM   #23
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How does the M-Sport Version differ from the current performance options that are available in the USA? Are there real performance differences or is it just trim and color differences?
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roger that pharding ... is everyone holding out for some aero panels? I don't believe the M-sport will entail any performance benefit. Will be strictly cosmetic and if it tries to make it look like I am driving an M then I would be really hesitant.
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roger that pharding ... is everyone holding out for some aero panels? I don't believe the M-sport will entail any performance benefit. Will be strictly cosmetic and if it tries to make it look like I am driving an M then I would be really hesitant.

I want the cosmetics, like I had on the 2008 550i sport .
I hope for aero panels, thicker perforated leasther steering wheel like on the 3 series M package, etc.
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roger that pharding ... is everyone holding out for some aero panels? I don't believe the M-sport will entail any performance benefit. Will be strictly cosmetic and if it tries to make it look like I am driving an M then I would be really hesitant.
In addition to the cosmetics, the M-Sport will have specific lowered suspension and bushing optimised for 18" mixed size tyres/wheels.

Cosmetics are:-
Sport seats
Half leather
M Wheels
M Colour option (Carbon Black?)
Aero panels, front, rear and sills
M kick-plates
M Sport steering wheel
M Gear leaver (6-Speed)
Different interior trim inserts
Black headliner

In short, lower, better handling and more presence.
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No pics??
Early July is likey?

Some spy shots here http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...=1#post7394153
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Will you be able to order the M sport fenders and have them installed in a f10 that was built prior to the option being available?
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      05-25-2010, 03:56 PM   #29
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No photos were allowed at the viewing but a full brochure is being prepared for the F11 ( and presumably for the F10) featuring both the SE and M-Sport cars. It will be available in July.
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I dont believe there will be any suspension/performance differences that you cant get on the 550i (or 535 for that matter) without the M-sport.

What you will find in the M-sport is strictly cosmetic, I personally dont like anything M related on my non M 550, but the aero package which I am told is more subtle for the F10 might be nice, be interested in the $ on it.

For US customers, the M-sport was never about performance, from what I am told, that will be the same across the board for F10's.

I for one think they should leave the M cosmetics for the M, maybe a purist, I bought a 550 not a M3 or M5. I know I am probably in the minority, just as I think debadging is odd but thats a whole different topic and forum I suppose.
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I spoke to my BMW dealer today & they confirmed that a communication has been posted on their internal messaging system which confirms that the F11 M Sport was indeed showcased at the BMW PGA tournament at Wentworth. It goes on to say that in the UK, further details will be available in July with 1st M Sport deliveries expected in September.
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I dont believe there will be any suspension/performance differences that you cant get on the 550i (or 535 for that matter) without the M-sport.

What you will find in the M-sport is strictly cosmetic, I personally dont like anything M related on my non M 550, but the aero package which I am told is more subtle for the F10 might be nice, be interested in the $ on it.

For US customers, the M-sport was never about performance, from what I am told, that will be the same across the board for F10's.

I for one think they should leave the M cosmetics for the M, maybe a purist, I bought a 550 not a M3 or M5. I know I am probably in the minority, just as I think debadging is odd but thats a whole different topic and forum I suppose.
This is true for Germany where you can order the M-Sport suspension as an option on an otherwise standard car. In the UK, and US I believe, we cannot as we must order the full F10 M-Sport package as the suspension only option is not available to us.

I like the cosmetic changes as do most UK driver, I read somewhere that around 50% of E60 and E92 in the UK have this package! Its a very important option for BMW UK and we like it.
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This is true for Germany where you can order the M-Sport suspension as an option on an otherwise standard car.
And the rest of the (North)West European continent as well. I already know 2 Dutch F10 drivers with the 704 M Technik option. And one Fin from here.

In about 2 weeks that makes 3 Dutch drivers including myself.
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In addition to the cosmetics, the M-Sport will have specific lowered suspension and bushing optimised for 18" mixed size tyres/wheels.

Cosmetics are:-
Sport seats
Half leather
M Wheels
M Colour option (Carbon Black?)
Aero panels, front, rear and sills
M kick-plates
M Sport steering wheel
M Gear leaver (6-Speed)
Different interior trim inserts
Black headliner

In short, lower, better handling and more presence.
Does anybody know whether you can order comfort seats with that? I drove a 2008 535xi MSport with comfort seats, black leather and bamboo anthracite trim, and it was pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Also, what is half leather?
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I dont believe there will be any suspension/performance differences that you cant get on the 550i (or 535 for that matter) without the M-sport.

What you will find in the M-sport is strictly cosmetic, I personally dont like anything M related on my non M 550, but the aero package which I am told is more subtle for the F10 might be nice, be interested in the $ on it.

For US customers, the M-sport was never about performance, from what I am told, that will be the same across the board for F10's.

I for one think they should leave the M cosmetics for the M, maybe a purist, I bought a 550 not a M3 or M5. I know I am probably in the minority, just as I think debadging is odd but thats a whole different topic and forum I suppose.
I've been waiting for the F10 for about 2 years now. Frankly I like everything about it but am really disappointed in the appearance of the front bumper. For me waiting for the MSport appearance is worth it. I spent a significant amount of money on my 2002 330ci some years ago switching to a factory BMW M-technic bumper and in my view it dramatically improved the appearance of the car overall.

I want to LOVE the look of the car, so in my circumstances and to my mind, holding out makes sense. I guess I'll see when they release the pictures presumably in July.
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I test drove a 550 F10 today. IMO it needs a sport suspension as part of the M-Sport Package. The M-Sport Package should not be just a bunch of aesthetic stuff.
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I test drove a 550 F10 today. IMO it needs a sport suspension as part of the M-Sport Package. The M-Sport Package should not be just a bunch of aesthetic stuff.
The M-Sport package always has M sport suspension (Europe).
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I have the M-Sport Package on my 08 550. What I like most about the M-Sport package is the M-Sport Suspension. I test drove the F10 550 yesterday with the Dynamic Handling Package and the Sport Aesthetic Package. Which is ridiculous for a BMW. Since when is a sport package on a BMW, just a bunch of aestheitc stuff? That approach is so American or Japanese.

The car corners really well as advertised. I went through the different modes Comfort, Normal, Sport, Sport+, and that is entertaining. Sport+ is just not robust enough in terms of a sport suspension. I prefer a more robust sport suspension than what the 550 now offers. Hopefully that will come to the US quicker than Year 4 of production as has been the case in years past with BMW North America. The F10 is a great car. However it really needs a M-Sport suspension option right away.
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For US I dont believe you will find what your looking for, at least not for a few years. The M-sport package will be completely cosmetic, the options for handling that are available now will be standalone from the M-sport package. I am sure all the handling options will be a requirement for the M-sport so one will not be able to modify the appearance without the cost of all the separate performance options.

For me, I thought about it hard when I was told the M-sport wasnt going to be available on release and in the end I felt I just wanted the meat and potatoes, the fluff although sharp looking doesnt do anything for me when I am inside driving it and I really didnt want to spend what will probably be between 2-4000 USD for cosmetics on a car which I already find very sharp.

I do look forward to the pictures and eventually seeing one, but from pictures I have seen the panels look very conservative which I think for those that get into the lowered look will be disappointing.
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I have the M-Sport Package on my 08 550. What I like most about the M-Sport package is the M-Sport Suspension. I test drove the F10 550 yesterday with the Dynamic Handling Package and the Sport Aesthetic Package. Which is ridiculous for a BMW. Since when is a sport package on a BMW, just a bunch of aestheitc stuff? That approach is so American or Japanese.

The car corners really well as advertised. I went through the different modes Comfort, Normal, Sport, Sport+, and that is entertaining. Sport+ is just not robust enough in terms of a sport suspension. I prefer a more robust sport suspension than what the 550 now offers. Hopefully that will come to the US quicker than Year 4 of production as has been the case in years past with BMW North America. The F10 is a great car. However it really needs a M-Sport suspension option right away.
M-Sport suspension is already available as option 704 (but not in all countries)
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For US I dont believe you will find what your looking for, at least not for a few years. The M-sport package will be completely cosmetic, the options for handling that are available now will be standalone from the M-sport package. I am sure all the handling options will be a requirement for the M-sport so one will not be able to modify the appearance without the cost of all the separate performance options.

For me, I thought about it hard when I was told the M-sport wasnt going to be available on release and in the end I felt I just wanted the meat and potatoes, the fluff although sharp looking doesnt do anything for me when I am inside driving it and I really didnt want to spend what will probably be between 2-4000 USD for cosmetics on a car which I already find very sharp.

I do look forward to the pictures and eventually seeing one, but from pictures I have seen the panels look very conservative which I think for those that get into the lowered look will be disappointing.
M-Sport Package is NOT just cosmetics, it has M-Sport suspension also!

BTW you cannot mix M-Sport suspension with the other chassis options (VDC and Adatptive roll bars)
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I was talking to the US crowd, shouldve clarified. Could you post the F10 M-sport package details for UK please that BMW has provided?
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....BTW you cannot mix M-Sport suspension with the other chassis options (VDC and Adaptive roll bars)
Does that mean that you cannot get the M-Sport Suspension with what is called the Dynamic Handling Package in the US?
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Has anyone here driven an F10 with the M-Sport Suspension and one with the Dynamic Handling Option that can compare the two? Thanks.
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