[xDrive35i]

Originally Posted by Redcapote

Agree. This is the vehicle I want to talk my dad into getting instead of the X6, but this review was weak. "I dunno, something's missing."

Well you're fresh out of luck in South Florida. This car isn't coming here to the states...

[cidair]

I did consider the M550dx for a while to replace my 550ix. Low fuel consumption, good traction with xdrive, blablabla...
But then after selling the M3, and having owned a BMW diesel, I remembered the thrill of owning/driving a true M car .

It´s so different from all other BMW cars. A tighter feeling in all aspects.
And a petrol engine is always better sounding/responding.
M = drivers car 100%.

[BLITZ]

Originally Posted by Remonster

They have an M badge just like the old M535i and M635i, but they aren't badged as true M cars you need to understand the difference. I know a guy who used to have an M635i so I know firsthand what that car was like and from what I'm reading, these new M Performance cars live up to their badging.

They are half-way M cars, designed for someone who wants a car that is a little sportier than a regular 5 series but doesn't need (or want to pay for) the full M5. You can't just look at the base price of the M5, you have to remember that M cars require Inspections every 15,000 miles which are a $1-2,000 expense the regular cars do not need, insurance rates are a little higher for M cars, gas mileage is significantly worse, etc. etc. there are plenty of reasons for a person to want a more understated sporty car. BMW's press releases indicate that these cars have firmer bushings than regular series production cars, unique suspension, hydraulic power steering instead of the electronic system in the normal cars...the bushings and power steering alone would make these cars worth it to me. I am very seriously interested in an M135i or M235i if I ever decide to let go of my E82.

Most people who are fanatical enough about BMWs to spend time on this forum would prefer the actual M5, that's obvious, but there is still a market for these cars and I'm glad they are finally making them.

The M635 is a proper Motorsport car. Its just how it was named, I'm sure it was called M6 in the US.

Dont look like an M30 to me

[Redcapote]

Originally Posted by juddholland

Well you're fresh out of luck in South Florida. This car isn't coming here to the states...

He's in Europe.

[Rustler]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

He said he was expecting more.

Well simply put...he was expecting a M-car. After all BMW put a M-badge on it.

What he drove was a high powered diesel car, nothing else.

Get over yourselves. Some "True M" owner always hops in all defensive-like when this topic comes up.

The M Badge has been amorphous from the start, it's been on inumerable body styles, engine configurations and cars with completely different intentions and reasons for being. Is there really anything in common between say the E30 M3 (built for homologation, small displacement straight four, light and nimble, 2 door), and the latest M5, (big heavy grand tourer that has so much power it can peel back asphalt with the tap of a foot)?

Why can't BMW try this new iteration of M on for size?

If your so concerned with M remaining sacrosanct, do you love the way your car drives, or your badge? True enthusiasts will still be able to pick the sports car out of the line-up (like the 1M), they won't be looking for badges or numbers (i.e. an S instead of an M or an N).

[Bimmernerd]

Originally Posted by Rustler

Get over yourselves. Some "True M" owner always hops in all defensive-like when this topic comes up.

The M Badge has been amorphous from the start, it's been on inumerable body styles, engine configurations and cars with completely different intentions and reasons for being. Is there really anything in common between say the E30 M3 (built for homologation, small displacement straight four, light and nimble, 2 door), and the latest M5, (big heavy grand tourer that has so much power it can peel back asphalt with the tap of a foot)?

Why can't BMW try this new iteration of M on for size?

If your so concerned with M remaining sacrosanct, do you love the way your car drives, or your badge? True enthusiasts will still be able to pick the sports car out of the line-up (like the 1M), they won't be looking for badges or numbers (i.e. an S instead of an M or an N).

+1

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Rustler

Get over yourselves. Some "True M" owner always hops in all defensive-like when this topic comes up.

The M Badge has been amorphous from the start, it's been on inumerable body styles, engine configurations and cars with completely different intentions and reasons for being. Is there really anything in common between say the E30 M3 (built for homologation, small displacement straight four, light and nimble, 2 door), and the latest M5, (big heavy grand tourer that has so much power it can peel back asphalt with the tap of a foot)?

Why can't BMW try this new iteration of M on for size?

If your so concerned with M remaining sacrosanct, do you love the way your car drives, or your badge? True enthusiasts will still be able to pick the sports car out of the line-up (like the 1M), they won't be looking for badges or numbers (i.e. an S instead of an M or an N).

Don't get so butthurt because I speak the truth.

The video speaks for itself.

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by Rustler

Get over yourselves. Some "True M" owner always hops in all defensive-like when this topic comes up.

The M Badge has been amorphous from the start, it's been on inumerable body styles, engine configurations and cars with completely different intentions and reasons for being. Is there really anything in common between say the E30 M3 (built for homologation, small displacement straight four, light and nimble, 2 door), and the latest M5, (big heavy grand tourer that has so much power it can peel back asphalt with the tap of a foot)?

Why can't BMW try this new iteration of M on for size?

If your so concerned with M remaining sacrosanct, do you love the way your car drives, or your badge? True enthusiasts will still be able to pick the sports car out of the line-up (like the 1M), they won't be looking for badges or numbers (i.e. an S instead of an M or an N).

+1

These arguments always come from someone who thinks anything other than his personal M3 isn't a true "M" car lol. When in reality an "M" car is simply a high-performance variant of the line-up, whether it's the 1,3,5,6,7,X or Z series, and yes diesel series too.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by YolkyPalky

+1

These arguments always come from someone who thinks anything other than his personal M3 isn't a true "M" car lol. When in reality an "M" car is simply a high-performance variant of the line-up, whether it's the 1,3,5,6,7,X or Z series, and yes diesel series too.

The video speaks for itself.

Chris was expecting more. BMW led him on with the badge.

Cheers

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

The video speaks for itself.

Chris was expecting more. BMW led him on with the badge.

Cheers

Yes, the video does speak for itself, it's a big steaming pile of sh*t, wish I could have those 10 minutes back, what rubbish. Don't get me wrong, I love this car, just didn't care for the review which was more like an artsy attempt at acting in a film short than it was a car review lol.

Funny, since an M5 or M6 will smoke your M3's arse all day long, I guess that makes your M3 not a true "M" car by your twisted logic.

[Rustler]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Don't get so butthurt because I speak the truth.

The video speaks for itself.

Ok. Thank you for the thoughtful contribution to the forum.

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by YolkyPalky

Yes, the video does speak for itself, it's a big steaming pile of sh*t, wish I could have those 10 minutes back, what rubbish. Don't get me wrong, I love this car, just didn't care for the review which was more like an artsy attempt at acting in a film short than it was a car review lol.

[Thud]

Originally Posted by jh valley

It has more torque than the space shuttle

I don't think that "torque" means what he thinks it means.

[misterbeemer]

Would it be cheaper to get a Dinan upgrade than getting a half-assed M car?

[Singletrack]

Lot more hate than I expected in here...

I wonder how many have actually driven a high-ish performance diesel? They really are awesome...not the same as the petrol engines, but still a great experience.

It's not as though this is replacing the M5, so I really don't see what the issue is with more options...not to mention one of the most advanced diesel engines in the world.

[Rustler]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Lot more hate than I expected in here...

I wonder how many have actually driven a high-ish performance diesel? They really are awesome...not the same as the petrol engines, but still a great experience.

It's not as though this is replacing the M5, so I really don't see what the issue is with more options...not to mention one of the most advanced diesel engines in the world.

This is an interesting point. Aren't more options better? Isn't it nice that someone who isn't likely to have a chance to flog their V10 or V8 at 6k plus rpms on the way to work has an alternative? (Apparently the people at M thought so).

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by Rustler

This is an interesting point. Aren't more options better? Isn't it nice that someone who isn't likely to have a chance to flog their V10 or V8 at 6k plus rpms on the way to work has an alternative? (Apparently the people at M thought so).

I really don't understand why BMWNA isn't giving these cars a shot in the U.S. I would definitely be interested in them. I think if BMWNA marketed them correctly here they might be quite surprised at the market receptivity.

The marketing message could be something like "This isn't your father's diesel" while stressing the kick-ass M-performance numbers of HP and Torque, while at the same time highlighting the incredible gas mileage compared to equivalent performing petrol engines.

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by Remonster

They have an M badge just like the old M535i and M635i, but they aren't badged as true M cars you need to understand the difference. I know a guy who used to have an M635i so I know firsthand what that car was like and from what I'm reading, these new M Performance cars live up to their badging.

They are half-way M cars, designed for someone who wants a car that is a little sportier than a regular 5 series but doesn't need (or want to pay for) the full M5. You can't just look at the base price of the M5, you have to remember that M cars require Inspections every 15,000 miles which are a $1-2,000 expense the regular cars do not need, insurance rates are a little higher for M cars, gas mileage is significantly worse, etc. etc. there are plenty of reasons for a person to want a more understated sporty car. BMW's press releases indicate that these cars have firmer bushings than regular series production cars, unique suspension, hydraulic power steering instead of the electronic system in the normal cars...the bushings and power steering alone would make these cars worth it to me. I am very seriously interested in an M135i or M235i if I ever decide to let go of my E82.

Most people who are fanatical enough about BMWs to spend time on this forum would prefer the actual M5, that's obvious, but there is still a market for these cars and I'm glad they are finally making them.

+1000 Why cant you people understand the difference between an MX car and an MXXXi/d car? These are not pure "M" cars, dont get your panties in a bunch over it. That being said, I dont think its necessary to associate the d cars with the "M" marketing scheme as the diesel cars can stand on their own feet, but marketing is up to BMW. Though I am glad if the d cars get some candy restricted to the "M" lineup.

[e36]

I personally don't think BMW should slap the M badge on these. But, there are many good points made here.

I feel in this review, he doesn't know what he wants. Its the perfect car, but sometimes he was expected to get whipped back in his seat with the rear end whipping around the turn. Not going to happen on an X drive.......

he was a confused soul on this one...

[BMWMB]

There is a difference between M Performance and M.
Same difference has Audi with the S and RS models.

[ProperXI]

It's a 5series with 3turbos! How come people are not excited about that. It's a ridiculous advancement in motor technology.

I could only dream of adding a 20g turbo to my 2 14b's in the 335... I would push upwards of 600hp with a good tune.. I'd be eating Porsches and rarri's all day