[mikekilpatrick]

Just to give you folks a heads up on a great price for Dinan intercoolers, I found a dealer on ebay that has 2 of them brand new for $1999.00 with FREE SHIPPING! That is a KILLER deal! Just purchased one myself! Dinan part D330-0014

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281473324574...S:1123&vxp=mtr

I know a lot of us have been looking for these and at 800 off retail, I had to share...

Mike

[///M5Driver]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

Just to give you folks a heads up on a great price for Dinan intercoolers, I found a dealer on ebay that has 2 of them brand new for $1999.00 with FREE SHIPPING! That is a KILLER deal! Just purchased one myself! Dinan part D330-0014

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281473324574...S:1123&vxp=mtr

I know a lot of us have been looking for these and at 800 off retail, I had to share...

Mike

Nice find!

[Zer0Cool92]

Does it have to be installed by BMW or is it pretty simple ?

[mikekilpatrick]

I plan on doing it myself. BMW quoted me 800 dollars for install so, 4-5 hours of work. I looked over the procedure and it is relatively simple. Hardest part is cooling system that you will have to bleed and top off. You can go to www.bmwtis.com. and pay 30.00 for the day to see the BMW service manual. Will post my results when I install them. According to Dinan, the warranty is valid if Dinan does it, BMW does it or you do it. Just have to make sure you do it right.

Install instructions attached...

[badblack550xi]

Waste of money they wont help you at all.

[mikekilpatrick]

Any kind of extra cooling will compress the air, hence more air, hence more explosion in chambers and hence more horsepower. Extra cooling is NEVER bad. And I am sure that those stupid Dinan engineers are making up all the information. lol

[mikekilpatrick]

I wont disagree the BMS stage 2 is a better option for tuning. But If you put Dinan intake, exhaust and Intercoolers, THEN BMS stage 2 I am sure the numbers will be good. Will do before and after comparisons.

[FenixMike]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

Any kind of extra cooling will compress the air, hence more air, hence more explosion in chambers and hence more horsepower. Extra cooling is NEVER bad. And I am sure that those stupid Dinan engineers are making up all the information. lol

Yes and no. Bad Black is correct that with factory turbos, you typically don't exceed the capacity of the factory intercoolers (hence why Dinan engineers add them WITH their larger turbos). Is more cooling better? Sure, just also remember the more expansion you allow for airflow (larger intercoolers) the more boost lag you will introduce, as well as making the turbos work harder to make up for more area. This was the purpose of the reverse flow head design - to reduce as much area as possible within the exhaust and intake flow before they arrive at their desired location. Too much intercooler wont hurt air flow temps, but it will cause a delay in pressure and delivery and honestly may not change the intake air temperature at all as there is a rule of diminishing returns on intercooler design. Reducing the temperature of the coolant inside the intercoolers, changing flow characteristics etc will give solid gains, and while I don't know how that would screw the computers up, my last car with an air to water intercooler picked up over 40 rear wheel horsepower adding a larger reservoir and ice water on the dyno/at the track. It was also a mustang and didn't have 20,000 sensors reading and adjusting flow and temperature to be within a specific window, so cooling it only made it make more power and increase timing.

FWIW, when my car was being "tuned" on ESSs dyno, he made about 15 passes back to back with no significant drop in horsepower, and it was about 97 degrees in his bay at the time with only a small fan blowing air on the radiator, nothing on the intercoolers. That tells me the intercoolers are doing their duty and intake air temperatures are not rising significantly enough to pull timing or increase fuel to compensate for heat/abuse.

Hope you get your $2,000 worth, I personally would have bought down pipes and invested the rest into turbos but I guess at least you have the ground work for your next mod.

[mikekilpatrick]

Yes, this is all part of an upgrade process. Piece by piece. When I find the part on sale, I will buy it, and then install. Doing all the hardware first, then the last step will be electronic tune. 40% off is a good deal on these. Need to source the exhaust, intake and turbos. The biggest challenge I have is car is under 6 year warranty and trying not to blow that warranty. I believe the turbos ruin it.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

I wont disagree the BMS stage 2 is a better option for tuning. But If you put Dinan intake, exhaust and Intercoolers, THEN BMS stage 2 I am sure the numbers will be good. Will do before and after comparisons.

We have done it all believe me way before you even thought of it

[FenixMike]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

Yes, this is all part of an upgrade process. Piece by piece. When I find the part on sale, I will buy it, and then install. Doing all the hardware first, then the last step will be electronic tune. 40% off is a good deal on these. Need to source the exhaust, intake and turbos. The biggest challenge I have is car is under 6 year warranty and trying not to blow that warranty. I believe the turbos ruin it.

Your intercoolers likely ruin it unless you not only buy them from BMW, but also have them installed there. Remember BMW usually voids your warranty even for having THEM install the Dinan stuff, the difference is Dinan picks up the tab for the difference when BMW wont cover it IF the failure was due to their product. If its unrelated to their product and instead from abuse or external failure, or even non related part, you have no warranty from anyone.

No such thing as a part thats just OK with BMW if you install it, the question is how much are you willing to pay for attorneys to chase BMW around to try and get your repair done when they tell you its not covered.

[mikekilpatrick]

Well that is not what Dinan stated directly to me. We will see I guess.

[FenixMike]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

Well that is not what Dinan stated directly to me. We will see I guess.

The last place you want to be is at the dealership with a critical failure and telling BMW "Well Dinan said they would cover it", and Dinan saying "we never said that, good luck".
http://www.dinancars.com/warranty/

Id read through that and see how comfortable, after all the exclusions listed, that you are with getting anything covered, or at least waiting months to get a resolution. If I was to pay the premium for a Dinan part (you're buying $300 worth of intercooler parts for $1999) you can bet id buy it from a dinan dealer and have them install it, then put the coverage in writing...
But I also don't trust dealers, which you also void it if you add any more parts, increase boost, etc as per the warranty website from Dinan.

[mikekilpatrick]

Good advice. I dont trust dealers either. Just quoting what they said they would charge. I plan on finding a Dinan installation shop. But I would do a better job than both. 35 years of working on cars. Yes, I know, a self installer is not "certified". And 2000.00 is better than 2800.00 especially when brand new.

[harkes]

2k for an IC - holy smokes!!! Is it gold plated?

[mko9]

Unobtainium

[FenixMike]

Originally Posted by harkes

2k for an IC - holy smokes!!! Is it gold plated?

$300 in intercoolers, and $1700 in dinan badges

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by FenixMike

$300 in intercoolers, and $1700 in dinan badges

DEAD!!!!

[mikekilpatrick]

$2000.00 is way cheaper than the retail of 2800.00 and ONLY product that keeps the warranty on the car. Better than 30k for new motor. You could say the same thing about Bose. Yes, you pay for the name but are you guaranteed quality.

This a Genuine brand new Dinan product, sold by an authorized BMW dealer shop. I posted this so that others who were interested in doing upgrade and keeping their factory warranty in place could also save 40%.

Name ONE Other company that you cant bolt onto your 85k sports car (and yes, the V8 Versions are MID RANGE in that price) and still keep the factory warranty. I have a good relationship with my dealer. And I can tell you this, you MIGHT have a problem with a claim with a BMW dealer with a Dinan inter-cooler being under the, but you WILL HAVE YOUR WARRANTY BLOWN with anyone else! So, enjoy the 40% savings on this Brand new kit, and stop hating cause you don't want to spend the money for insurance basically.

[harkes]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

$2000.00 is way cheaper than the retail of 2800.00 and ONLY product that keeps the warranty on the car. Better than 30k for n........

I totally understand buying Dinan on parts that will stress your car more (like the piggy back) - but an intercooler will not. That will relieve your engine with cooler air and cooler is always better.

That said - if i had a money tree I might think otherwise.

[mikekilpatrick]

Well, I have the money to do it. There are THIS and THAT stories of dealers not doing repairs, etc, etc. But you are more likely to have a repair done if you went with Dinan parts. Now, the question is, do you install it yourself, or pay the stearlership 800.00 to have it installed. I would much rather put them in myself as I have yet to meet a mechanic that does better work than me. 6 rollaways and 40 years of working on cars give me a better handle on any mechanical procedure than a shop or dealership. So, I am stuck with the question, WHERE do I get the intercoolers installed? I spoke to Dinan and they said it does not matter if you put them in, the dealer or a Dinan approved shop. But, if you have something fail within the motor downstream from the inercoolers and you did not put them at the dealer, are you going to have a harder time with a claim? Like I said, it isnt the money for the install I am worried about, it is the quality of the installation. I might take 8 to 10 hours to install it. Sand down teh engine cover till it is perfectly smooth, touch up the cuts in any metal with paint, etc, etc. Where a shop or the dealer is always in a hurry to get it done FAST.

Has anyone had the intercoolers put in at shop or dealership? What was your opinion of how it was done?

Finally, I would like to know if anyone has done the Intake, exhaust and intercoolers with F10 550 and then put on BMS Stage 2 chip. Do they have the capability of gaining the advertised 20 hp from their chip? I mean, in a 6 year CPO warranty situation, you are doing a balancing act. More HP from Stage 2, and removable with no signs of it being installed. And then the Dinan intake, exhaust and intercoolers would be a great setup if they all play together nice.

[///M5Driver]

Originally Posted by FenixMike

FWIW, when my car was being "tuned" on ESSs dyno, he made about 15 passes back to back with no significant drop in horsepower, and it was about 97 degrees in his bay at the time with only a small fan blowing air on the radiator, nothing on the intercoolers. That tells me the intercoolers are doing their duty and intake air temperatures are not rising significantly enough to pull timing or increase fuel to compensate for heat/abuse.

Hope you get your $2,000 worth, I personally would have bought down pipes and invested the rest into turbos but I guess at least you have the ground work for your next mod.

Mike it's good to know your car stayed consistent during pulls. I think a lot of us were inclined to purchase not knowing the full potential of the stock cores. I assumed since the M5 had larger units our 550's barely got the job done so good to know.


BTW what are you doing for turbos?