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      03-25-2015, 07:28 AM   #1
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Will H&R Lowering Springs Ruin My Suspension

I have H&R's on my 2012 535xi, wanted to know will it effect the suspension? I heard it messes with the car thinking it has extra weight since its lowered. this cancers damage to bearing and etc. Is this true? or how will it affect it?
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Anytime you lower your car, your struts and shocks will wear out faster. Also, if your car is not aligned properly after installing aftermarket springs, tires will have uneven wear. Generally, the more you drop the car, the faster the shocks wear out and the ride quality will get more bouncy.
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I have H&R also....Lov'em...I know the shocks and struts will wear out faster but...I'll worry about that when the time comes...Cause right now... My F10 is low and the ride is awesome...
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Anytime you lower your car, your struts and shocks will wear out faster. Also, if your car is not aligned properly after installing aftermarket springs, tires will have uneven wear. Generally, the more you drop the car, the faster the shocks wear out and the ride quality will get more bouncy.
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A good reason why I'm going coilovers
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I have H&R's on my 2012 535xi, wanted to know will it effect the suspension? I heard it messes with the car thinking it has extra weight since its lowered. this cancers damage to bearing and etc. Is this true? or how will it affect it?
Everything everyone has said in this post is correct. Worse yet for my F10. I have the EDC shocks. $$$$$ for replacement!

I would just go coilovers. At least the shocks and springs are matched for the ride quality you want.
Good luck!
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Everything everyone has said in this post is correct. Worse yet for my F10. I have the EDC shocks. $$$$$ for replacement!

I would just go coilovers. At least the shocks and springs are matched for the ride quality you want.
Good luck!
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I have H&R also....Lov'em...I know the shocks and struts will wear out faster but...I'll worry about that when the time comes...Cause right now... My F10 is low and the ride is awesome...
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I just have one question regarding the statement that the shocks wear out faster.

Why? Obviously the chocks work in another height then normal, but also they will have less movement in them, compared to standard height. The harder springs take up much more force then oem springs, so if you compare total movement on the springs between two cars going the same amount of miles, the one with lower, stiffer springs will have shocks with the least amount of work load.

Or am i totally off here?
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I just have one question regarding the statement that the shocks wear out faster.

Why? Obviously the chocks work in another height then normal, but also they will have less movement in them, compared to standard height. The harder springs take up much more force then oem springs, so if you compare total movement on the springs between two cars going the same amount of miles, the one with lower, stiffer springs will have shocks with the least amount of work load.

Or am i totally off here?
Arne, you are right while the guys are repeating one of the most popular horror stories about the car's suspension.

The only purpose of (liquid, gas) shock is to absorb vertical sway. In fact, you can remove all shocks from a standing car and nothing happens, because the shocks don't hold the car: the springs do.

The shocks allow vertical travel of the damping piston of, say +/- 2-3", and there is oil above and below the piston, and this is absolutely no matter is the piston 1" up or 1" down within the oil bath.

Number of members are running sport springs for years without any faster damage or so. Also for the coils addicts: the principle of shortened vs. extended travel is totally the same, except the coils provide adjustable dumping (for track use) and the sport springs don't. This explains why V1, V2, V3 cost that much compared to the H&R "passive" springs.

I don't say about the EDC (don't know) admitting this "smart" thing may need a specific treatment: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146302

Have your favorite one, both H&R and KW are OK, don't believe in tales
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Question? did ACS stop making springs for the F10? i can't find anyone who carries them.
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I did not find them for the F11 either when i was looking for new springs.
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Question? did ACS stop making springs for the F10? i can't find anyone who carries them.
There's a thread a few links down by TagMotorsports that offer ACS SPRINGS.
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^^ yes contact David at TAG Motorsport.. I ordered my set from him. Nice guy to deal with & fast shipping.
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BTW, I thought no Coilovers is available for the F10 XDrive? I wanted to go Coilovers but had no choice to get the ACS springs. Hope my shocks won't wear out too fast.
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BTW, I thought no Coilovers is available for the F10 XDrive? I wanted to go Coilovers but had no choice to get the ACS springs. Hope my shocks won't wear out too fast.
Not too sure if they offer aftermarket shocks for the xdrive?
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Not too sure if they offer aftermarket shocks for the xdrive?

This is what I am affraid, I want to go with H&R spring and stock shock but I am affraid that when my shocks go I will have no other choice than buy OEMs which are pricey...
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This is what I am affraid, I want to go with H&R spring and stock shock but I am affraid that when my shocks go I will have no other choice than buy OEMs which are pricey...
http://m.ebay.com/itm/291423916264?nav=SEARCH
http://m.ebay.com/itm/201302527750?nav=SEARCH
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I have H&R's on my 2012 535xi, wanted to know will it effect the suspension? I heard it messes with the car thinking it has extra weight since its lowered. this cancers damage to bearing and etc. Is this true? or how will it affect it?
Everything everyone has said in this post is correct. Worse yet for my F10. I have the EDC shocks. $$$$$ for replacement!

I would just go coilovers. At least the shocks and springs are matched for the ride quality you want.
Good luck!
No coilovers are available for x-drive versions. At least not from KW, Bilstein or H&R.

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First posted is not for the F10 and the second link is for a GT... I checked Bilsten, Koni web site and nothing.... I wish you really had found something!

I just figured to find some rear shocks for the Xdrive, nothing yet for the front...

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It says xdrive?
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