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      04-05-2016, 05:40 PM   #23
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Well.... I am officially an idiot. Ever since installing the turbos the car has felt so slow to me. Smooth as before, but still slow. So today I finally had time to do some datalogging to figure out why.

Connected the JB4 interface, and then it hit me. I have been in map 0 ever since installing the turbos. Turned it back to map 1 and man, it does feel faster. The only issue is that I think the turbos are spooling a little too fast for the JB4 and the boost is spiking to about 18psi and it has to pull it back fast.

But wow, I'm an idiot
ive peaked at 22 on stocks
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This is funny to me
lol why ?
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lol why ?
Because you're one-upping the Alpinas with your stocks. Now, I imagine you had different settings on the jb4 at the time, but still. I've lost interest in the N63 tuning world due to the lack of flashing ability, but I would really like to know if the bigger turbos really do anything or not.
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Matt....Thank you for validating what I have been saying all along.
You are one step closer to 548RWHP......It can be done

P.S. I feel better now, I thought I was the idiot. I did the same thing when car came out of the shop.

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Badblack....OEM Turbos will pull 22PSI or better with JB S2 and proper octane since they have one less exducer and a different compressor geometry. No different then a High Bypass Jet engine with a bigger Compressor section usually has a lower EPR (Engine Pressure Ratio) Where a lessor bypass engine has a much bigger compression ratio.
I used to feel the OEM turbos where spinning much harder....Whatever its worth.
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I'm running stage aggressive at 3.5, I have the Bluetooth adapter and the JB4 app and boost spikes to just a tick over 18 psi on the app.

Nice to hear this may not be a total bust for you.
What App are using with the bluetooth adapter to read compression?
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Yeah, I didn't expect to hit a boost record or anything. I wouldn't doubt that the stock turbos can make as much boost as these, but these may be more efficient in that higher range. It would take a compressor map to really see how different I guess but that's something we can never get our hands on.
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What App are using with the bluetooth adapter to read compression?
Pretty sure he's using this:

http://www.burgertuning.com/bluetoot...nnect_kit.html
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Well.... I am officially an idiot. Ever since installing the turbos the car has felt so slow to me. Smooth as before, but still slow. So today I finally had time to do some datalogging to figure out why.

Connected the JB4 interface, and then it hit me. I have been in map 0 ever since installing the turbos. Turned it back to map 1 and man, it does feel faster. The only issue is that I think the turbos are spooling a little too fast for the JB4 and the boost is spiking to about 18psi and it has to pull it back fast.

But wow, I'm an idiot
lol ! noob

Get some downpipes and intakes and turn the jb4 up !
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I see you're claiming a VERY high RWHP 747..

Care to share your dyno sheet?

I just find it very hard to believe you managed to pull about 120whp above the average RWHP that the aggressive setting of BMS S2 puts out (which is roughly around 430whp) The dyno on n54tech that depicts 470 RWHP is not the S2 Terry released to the public because it was too aggressive.

With no way to properly 'control' the bigger turbo I can't see you gaining THAT MUCH more power. I really just see it as an efficiency upgrade rather than a power upgrade.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just skeptical without any proof. I've been searching for a way to get more power out of this engine and if these turbos are the answer then so be it.

Again, I'm not discrediting your findings, just using deductive reasoning until proven otherwise.
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I see you're claiming a VERY high RWHP 747..

Care to share your dyno sheet?

I just find it very hard to believe you managed to pull about 120whp above the average RWHP the aggressive setting BMS S2 puts out (roughly around 430whp, the dyno on n54tech that depicts 470 RWHP is not the S2 Terry released to the public because it was too aggressive) with no way to properly control the bigger turbo I can't see you gaining THAT MUCH more power.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just skeptical without any proof. I've been searching for a way to get more power out of this engine and if these turbos are the answer then so be it.

Again, I'm not discrediting your findings, just using deductive reasoning until proven otherwise.
He has a thread in this section, you can check his post history. He's running something north of 110 Octane and +11psi I believe, 8psi higher than the BMS S2 base dyno.
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He has a thread in this section, you can check his post history. He's running something north of 110 Octane and +11psi I believe, 8psi higher than the BMS S2 base dyno.
He stopped replying to the thread. More octane does not = more power. In fact, that much octane, without a proper tune, could have negative effects toward power because you can't control timing. Also, no one knows if upping the PSI in the BFS section of S2 that high actually works (it just increases the fail safe by tricking the computer that it's not getting enough boost, not a addition to stock PSI) . Again, I'm not saying it's not possible, but 548 rwhp is a bold claim. He's must've dyno'd if he knows how much he's putting out or some 1/4 mile times. I just want to see if it's ACTUALLY been done.

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I've seen no dynos for any of the people running Alpina turbos, other than ass-dynos, which are known to be inaccurate. That is why I posted earlier saying I was skeptical.
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He stopped replying to the thread. More octane does not = more power. In fact, that much octane, without a proper tune, could have negative effects toward power because you can't control timing. Also, no one knows if upping the PSI in the BFS section of S2 that high actually works (it just increases the fail safe by tricking the computer that it's not getting enough boost, not a addition to stock PSI) . Again, I'm not saying it's not possible, but 548 rwhp is a bold claim. He's must've dyno'd if he knows how much he's putting out or some 1/4 mile times. I just want to see if it's ACTUALLY been done.

There should be no negative affects of running a higher octane fuel without a tune for it, besides wasting money. Increasing the octane increases your knock resistance which allows you to run more timing (or boost) because the fuel is harder to ignite (by accident in this case). If you are increasing the boost without being able to turn down timing then higher octane increases the safety of doing so.
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I've seen no dynos for any of the people running Alpina turbos, other than ass-dynos, which are known to be inaccurate. That is why I posted earlier saying I was skeptical.
I will hopefully have time to get some dyno time in soon. I don't know what to expect. I don't know what my baseline from before either is. I'm just hoping to show something.
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Sorry guys. Out of the country again. I will post the Dyno sheet ASAP. Matt is correct on octane and ability to run boost. Check my thread with OEM turbos achieved 498RWHP.
I did more modding with the Alpinas when obtained the 548RWHP, will post soon.
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N63 Tune Is Available But........

Technica Motorsports Has a tune for the N63 and can do a custom tune
if your Bmw does not have the Bmw customer care package update from Oct.2015

Technica Motorsports
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With all due respect Taynice, neither is correct; I spoke to Boris at Solo and had no idea to what I was taking about and was very quick to pass the phone to Josh (main flash tune guy at Solo). Josh was very candid indicating Solo has no Flash Tune Tool and nothing can be done. I was the launch customer for the N63 tune from Technica (my car is displayed under the N63 tune advertisement website) and Bret Bazan owner of Technica is not able to reflash my MSD85 ECU after the BMW customer care package update. Money down the drain, in summary, blah blah blah.

Good luck for now

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TECHNICA MotorSports does a tune for the N63 and can do a custom tune as well if you have the N63 with 1 DME ALSO SOLO MOTORSPORTS CAN DO I TUNE WITH AN APLINA B7 TURBO AND MAKE THIS BIGGER TURBOS WORK AND GET A BIG HP AND TQ GAIN I'VE SEEN THIS DONE IN PERSON ASK FOR BORIS AT SOLO MOTORSPORTS

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Ha, when you put it like that it sounds a lot more rough



I've been considering upping my boost a bit, maybe targeting 98 octane with an E85 mix. But nowhere near your levels!



Yup, I knew I wouldn't be adding more air/boost, was just hoping to see more increases due to the better design (efficiency) of these turbos. But I bet it would only show as a small increase on the dyno after driving around on these for a while.



I'm considering that option, I will contact you guys first if I decide to pull them.



I didn't find a lot of information on these so I wanted to share my experiences, hopefully it'll come in useful to someone in the future. If only I could have a flash tune to go along with them

If you can get a flash tune I would definitely do turbos, it's amazing how much they help on those 6 cyls



Last time I checked his thread I think he was pushing +11psi over stock, where the normal BMS S2 only does +2psi, so I definitely wouldn't doubt it haha. When you're going up in boost that much I bet you would definitely see a little bit more of an increase with these installed since the stock turbos are probably designed to be optimal around stock boost levels.

But yup, running more than 100 octane is pretty crazy for my goals right now haha
BMS stage 2 aggressive is +3.5 over stock🤔
BMS stage 1 is +3 over stock

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