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      07-23-2015, 03:32 AM   #23
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Respectfully, there are ways to express that same opinion without insulting the cherished F10s of others...in their own forum.

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In all honesty, I wasn't trying to be arrogant. After reading what I wrote I still dont get how 429192123901 guy thinks I am.

Im just giving you my opinion.
Just a simple fact, 5 series are heavy pigs. 300hp IMO and IMO only just doesn't cut it for that much weight.

But like I said, if power wasn't a big deal for you and others then Its a no brainer save the $$$ and get a 535i.

Agreed. These cars are HEAVY. I can't imagine going down to a 528 or 535 after the 550.
If you haven't ever driven a 550, comments like "just chip it" make me lul to no end. The 550 is the ultimate sleeper. Perfect car.
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I'm certainly sold on the 550 at this point (if I decide to stay with a larger vehicle and not a 335 - really, it's more about the interior than the size). Most of what I see around here is 2012 though, and it sounds like 2013 had some appreciable upgrades?
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      07-23-2015, 09:40 AM   #26
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If you haven't ever driven a 550, comments like "just chip it" make me lul to no end. The 550 is the ultimate sleeper. Perfect car.
And generic statements like these make me "lol" to no end.
No such thing as "perfect car", just perfect car for you.
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In all honesty, I wasn't trying to be arrogant. After reading what I wrote I still dont get how 429192123901 guy thinks I am.

Im just giving you my opinion.
Just a simple fact, 5 series are heavy pigs. 300hp IMO and IMO only just doesn't cut it for that much weight.

But like I said, if power wasn't a big deal for you and others then Its a no brainer save the $$$ and get a 535i.

I'm sure you weren't trying to be a prick. But you make it sound like the 535 sucks. Yes, it's meh compared to an M5 that's twice the price. But comparing to other cars in the class and price range, the drivetrain and engine is one of the best, if not the best. I don't think any family sedan getting 0-60 in 5.5s and high 13s 1/4 mile is slow and nobody in the right mind would. The F10 is heavier yes, but compared to others in this class, it is not a "heavy pig".

Let me put it this way. I used to have tinkle with Mustang Cobras, and I think regular Mustang GTs are too slow for a V8 muscle car. I can say that in the Cobra forums and people would agree with me because the GTs are slow and doesn't come with forged internals to make it easily modified for big power. However, I don't go into the GT forums and tell them they got a dog slow heavy porker of a muscle car that is barely faster than a Camry V6 and matches the acceleration of Lexus IS350.

Basically, everyone has their own budget and reasons for the car they own. Just because you can afford an M5, doesn't mean you should talk down to other enthusiasts with lower tiered vehicles. The 535i is far from dog slow or heavy pigs for most people.
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I'm sure you weren't trying to be a prick. But you make it sound like the 535 sucks. Yes, it's meh compared to an M5 that's twice the price. But comparing to other cars in the class and price range, the drivetrain and engine is one of the best, if not the best. I don't think any family sedan getting 0-60 in 5.5s and high 13s 1/4 mile is slow and nobody in the right mind would. The F10 is heavier yes, but compared to others in this class, it is not a "heavy pig".

Let me put it this way. I used to have tinkle with Mustang Cobras, and I think regular Mustang GTs are too slow for a V8 muscle car. I can say that in the Cobra forums and people would agree with me because the GTs are slow and doesn't come with forged internals to make it easily modified for big power. However, I don't go into the GT forums and tell them they got a dog slow heavy porker of a muscle car that is barely faster than a Camry V6 and matches the acceleration of Lexus IS350.

Basically, everyone has their own budget and reasons for the car they own. Just because you can afford an M5, doesn't mean you should talk down to other enthusiasts with lower tiered vehicles. The 535i is far from dog slow or heavy pigs for most people.

I agree, except for last part.
1st of all, I just got the M5 9 days ago.
I've had a 550i for 2 years.
The guy who started this thread asked about the 535i and the 550i.
And I gave him my opinion on the 550i N63, N63tu and the 535i.
No one is insulting anyone, I didn't mention what I drive. Because it was irrelevant to the topic. (Just because its in my sig, I get this bashing?)

Lastly I gave my opinion regarding this topic.
I've been on this forum a long time, and have been a big contributor to the aftermarket for the 550i. And the last thing I would ever do is insult anyone especially financially. If it was taken the way, I apologize.
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Had my choice of the 535 or 550 (was also comparing the XF). What ultimately swayed my decision was, for someone who had to endure both oil embargos, the highway MPG. We make many freeway trips and the extra 6+ MPG makes a big difference to me. We took a trip to Yellowstone; three adults and luggage; and I never found the power to be lacking. Even at high altitudes (forced induction really helps!).

Would I like more power??? ABSOLUTELY!!! Would I be able to utilize it 99% of the time (drag races don't interest me anymore and the only time I would truly be able to wring it out would be n on-ramp; and the last time I did that I got a ticket!)? Not at all. Is the 535 the perfect car for me? Yup. In fact, when it's time to abandon my wife's Lincoln LS, our next 5 will also be powered by one of the best engines ever made; BMW's straight 6.

That is why manufacturers make these different options available to us.
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Had my choice of the 535 or 550 (was also comparing the XF). What ultimately swayed my decision was, for someone who had to endure both oil embargos, the highway MPG. We make many freeway trips and the extra 6+ MPG makes a big difference to me. We took a trip to Yellowstone; three adults and luggage; and I never found the power to be lacking. Even at high altitudes (forced induction really helps!).

Would I like more power??? ABSOLUTELY!!! Would I be able to utilize it 99% of the time (drag races don't interest me anymore and the only time I would truly be able to wring it out would be n on-ramp; and the last time I did that I got a ticket!)? Not at all. Is the 535 the perfect car for me? Yup. In fact, when it's time to abandon my wife's Lincoln LS, our next 5 will also be powered by one of the best engines ever made; BMW's straight 6.

That is why manufacturers make these different options available to us.

Just curious what was your MPG on big trips (freeway)?
My 550i was ok in gas on the highway, but around town.. pure dog.
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My 550i was ok in gas on the highway, but around town.. pure dog.
Wait, so now 550 is a dog too... Mr. M5
Sorry couldn't resist, NOT serious of course
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      07-23-2015, 12:06 PM   #32
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Wait, so now 550 is a dog too... Mr. M5
Sorry couldn't resist, NOT serious of course
I bet the forum will notice when the M5 turns a dog and heavy pig.
If nothing gonna change, it wouldn't take long though.
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I bet the forum will notice when the M5 turns a dog and heavy pig.
If nothing gonna change, it wouldn't take long though.
Oh boy. OK I'm done with this.
Once again, if I somehow offended anyone. I apologize, I'll bow out of this topic and let it continue so the originator can get more opinions.
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      07-23-2015, 12:25 PM   #34
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Oh boy. OK I'm done with this.
Once again, if I somehow offended anyone. I apologize, I'll bow out of this topic and let it continue so the originator can get more opinions.
No man, not at all, it was all in good fun mostly because you now own M5.
You better get used to it, you're "that guy" now.

Anyway, no more derailing the thread.
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      07-23-2015, 01:17 PM   #35
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I agree, except for last part.
1st of all, I just got the M5 9 days ago.
I've had a 550i for 2 years.
The guy who started this thread asked about the 535i and the 550i.
And I gave him my opinion on the 550i N63, N63tu and the 535i.
No one is insulting anyone, I didn't mention what I drive. Because it was irrelevant to the topic. (Just because its in my sig, I get this bashing?)

Lastly I gave my opinion regarding this topic.
I've been on this forum a long time, and have been a big contributor to the aftermarket for the 550i. And the last thing I would ever do is insult anyone especially financially. If it was taken the way, I apologize.
Jesus Christ, no one is saying you're here to insult people. I'm just saying you've probably left a sour taste in some people's mouths here. It's like you're not aware of other people's perspective. You remind me of my rich friend who obviously live in a different world than the rest of us.

He would say things like "Some jerk dinged my R (his R8 V10), what should I do". The rest of us is like "This shop is great!, they'll make it look like it never happened". His respond would be "Why would I do that? I meant should I replace with a Porsche Targa or something like a Ferrari California"
Then the times he asked us why we have to deliver our own dry clean, buy groceries so often or why buy a 550 when you can have an M5 for just $25k more. Yea, we don't think he's insulting any of us, he's just not open minded enough. Even though we're all top 10% in household earning power, $25k is still a big deal and we don't have our own assistant/butler. Hell, even $2.5k is a big deal to me. That's like a week's work.

But the 535 isn't that much slower than a preLCI 550. Its 0-60 and 1/4 times are less than a second behind. In a straight line, the 550 would win. On a windy track, the 535 might edge the 550 due to its better handling. In urban driving, the 535 moves better because its torque comes earlier.
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      07-23-2015, 01:50 PM   #36
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Just wondering where everyone is needing all this extra 'power'? I accelerate for 2 seconds and hit traffic right away. My average daily commute speed is around 45mph. On a good day, I can drive 70 for about 10 miles. I guess if you definitely need 400-500 horses in a V8 for city driving, go for it.
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Just wondering where everyone is needing all this extra 'power'? I accelerate for 2 seconds and hit traffic right away. My average daily commute speed is around 45mph. On a good day, I can drive 70 for about 10 miles. I guess if you definitely need 400-500 horses in a V8 for city driving, go for it.
It takes me about 35-40 mins to move 6 miles in DC during my daily commute. Just like you, all that power is useless to me most days. The heavy front is a problem because the suspension will bottom out on larger potholes. But when I go out to the vineyards, it's an awesome car on the twisty country road while you're in complete comfort. The problem is that only happens once a month lol.

I've tried the new Mazda Miata and it's actually quite an amazing little machine. I think my next round would be a 535(maybe 540?) and a Miata. But I'm also thinking of an Benz S Coupe. The interior in that car is a piece of art. However, I'm waiting to see the G30 to make up my mind and wait for a good sale.
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Just curious what was your MPG on big trips (freeway)?
My 550i was ok in gas on the highway, but around town.. pure dog.
On our yellowstone trip I averaged 31.6 over the ~2600 miles. I kept it in Eco mode the whole trip. I average about the same (sometimes a tad more) on our trips to Phoenix; and that's about 10% in town driving missing many lights. When we took the mountain route (opting for Sport mode) I got about 29.

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I don't understand why you guys are being Aholes for.
First of all 535 vs 550 is no contest.
V6 with 300hp vs a v8 with 450hp. no contest!
Every car manufacture has 300hp... Sorry to say but that's old news!
If you want a beaner you get down power under that hood.
Unless your a casual driver then he'll yea you go for the 535. I would.. But I'm heavy footed and drive in NY with unpredictable weather so of course I get 550xi.

P.s if you go for 550xi you ONLY do 2014+ it is leaps and bounds mor reliable then the 2011-2013 and a way bigger market for aftermarket parts etc.. Just a better car.
You can get one for like 45-50 and honestly that extra 5-7k is solo worth it!! Ask anyone with a 2011-2013 550 and they will tell you.

If I had to do it all over again, I would get a DD 528xi and a M5 for fun lol
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I don't understand why you guys are being Aholes for.
For the record, I was just joking with combatbmw because he has M5 and I slightly envy him on that

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First of all 535 vs 550 is no contest.
V6 with 300hp vs a v8 with 450hp. no contest!
Every car manufacture has 300hp... Sorry to say but that's old news!
Shocking that BMW sells anything but M5 then, isn't it ?? Because, well why would you want anything less than that. Your argument here is a bit silly, sorry to say. Because either of these Vs. M5 is no contest either....so why even bother manufacturing them. Guess what, people like different things and have different needs.

You have to consider budget, perceived reliability and intended use when you're discussing these cars and trying to help someone with advice what to buy. 550 is a monster, nicely loaded and beats 535 in 0-60 times hands down. It also is front heavy, less reliable and def. not easy on gas. Guess what, 535, especially RWD with DHP or M sport handles better. Maybe that's not yours, but a priority for someone else. If OP wasn't needing more space, 335i is more of a "typical BMW" than both, 535 or 550 are

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If you want a beaner you get down power under that hood.
I don't think that's entirely true either, yes, you want power, but BMW was never about sheer power. Power, handling balance, refinement and for the most part leading edge technology is how I would describe it.

If you're after sheer power, plenty of other options out there.

Just my $0.02 on the subject, both are excellent cars thought.
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I don't understand why you guys are being Aholes for.
First of all 535 vs 550 is no contest.
V6 with 300hp vs a v8 with 450hp. no contest!
Every car manufacture has 300hp... Sorry to say but that's old news!
If you want a beaner you get down power under that hood.
Unless your a casual driver then he'll yea you go for the 535. I would.. But I'm heavy footed and drive in NY with unpredictable weather so of course I get 550xi.

P.s if you go for 550xi you ONLY do 2014+ it is leaps and bounds mor reliable then the 2011-2013 and a way bigger market for aftermarket parts etc.. Just a better car.
You can get one for like 45-50 and honestly that extra 5-7k is solo worth it!! Ask anyone with a 2011-2013 550 and they will tell you.

If I had to do it all over again, I would get a DD 528xi and a M5 for fun lol
Let me put it a bit different way.

Dude what I don't understand is why do you pop up into the conversation by calling people assholes. Was it a joke or not, I don’t buy it anyway. The army sergeant's lexicon for newbies stays in the camp, also some of us were veterans and drove cars before you were even born.

But this is not the point. The point is that every opinion can have value and can be considered as contribution until somebody started looking down to everybody else and showing off his mofo ride as the attribute of superiority and hidden evidence of his alleged wealth.

So please show more respect. Maybe this way it works.
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I don't understand why you guys are being Aholes for.
First of all 535 vs 550 is no contest.
V6 with 300hp vs a v8 with 450hp. no contest!
Every car manufacture has 300hp... Sorry to say but that's old news!
If you want a beaner you get down power under that hood.
Unless your a casual driver then he'll yea you go for the 535. I would.. But I'm heavy footed and drive in NY with unpredictable weather so of course I get 550xi.

P.s if you go for 550xi you ONLY do 2014+ it is leaps and bounds mor reliable then the 2011-2013 and a way bigger market for aftermarket parts etc.. Just a better car.
You can get one for like 45-50 and honestly that extra 5-7k is solo worth it!! Ask anyone with a 2011-2013 550 and they will tell you.

If I had to do it all over again, I would get a DD 528xi and a M5 for fun lol
What the hell are you talking about. You didn't even bother you read the title, did you?

2012-2013 550s are 400hp. So no, it doesn't have the new 445hp engine that the LCI got. I know you're going to pull the "Well BMW underrate the engine so it's really 450HP" BS. Guess what? They also underrate their N55 engines too. So let's just stick with the advertised HP. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news

I don't know where you feel the need to justify a 550xi because you live in NY's unpredictable weather. I lived in Rochester, NY for 12 years. It's probably tied with Buffalo for the worst lake effect snow half the year. Anybody that lives there will tell you a 535xi will probably be better than a 550xi in "unpredictable weather".

The only "Ahole" here is you. You are also one fine example of rude NYers and why most of the country hates NYer arrogance.
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I had my mind set on a 2012 550 a couple months ago. I hadn't even thought of the 535, but I went to the dealership and first drove a 2013 535 and was pleasantly surprised that it was by no means a slouch. I then drove the 550 expecting to be blown away and yes it is def faster, but in the end I chose to go with a newer model 535. It was fast enough for me given where I would be driving it. I also thought reliability would be better (since I plan on keeping a while), as well as gas mileage. So I guess it depends on what you value. Drive both cars (preferably back to back) and make a decision.
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The point is that every opinion can have value and can be considered as contribution until somebody started looking down to everybody else and showing off his mofo ride as the attribute of superiority and hidden evidence of his alleged wealth.

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Who are you referring to exactly?
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