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      12-10-2017, 01:08 PM   #1
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Mulling 535 D purchase....

Again, thanks for all the 535i info!

How about the Diesel?

They're pretty cheap and I like the thought of torque....are they pretty decent? Not much info about their long term reliability in the 5er it seems.
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      12-11-2017, 03:20 PM   #2
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i had a 535i while my buddy has a 535d. It drove pretty nice. Not a lot of diesel noise. The most important part was that it was averaging 30+mpg in the city, and a full tank range was like 600 miles. While my 535i did 14 mpg in the same city, tank full was 250 miles. Not to mention diesel here cost less than regular 87. It was basically at least 1/2 of the fuel Cost for the diesel. So ya. If I had to choose again, diesel for sure.
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      12-12-2017, 11:27 AM   #3
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I've had a '16 535d xdrive since September and my mileage pretty much coincides with the numbers stated in the previous posting. In fact, at highway speeds under 75 mph, I am getting between 38 and 39 mpg. City driving is over 34 (but that's mostly suburban driving).

As for performance, the numbers favors the 535i, but the difference might be hard to detect when comparing low-end torque. This is my third diesel and I would not go back to a gasoline engine anytime soon.

Finding a 535d was not easy. Relatively few on Autotrader and even fewer with low mileage and the options I was looking for. Looked for almost seven months before finding one meeting most of my requirements.

Good luck on your search and I believe you'll like the vehicle.
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      12-13-2017, 05:15 PM   #4
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Thanks guys!

Have any of you done any of the common mods? Like EGR or DPF delete with a tune?
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      12-14-2017, 07:07 AM   #5
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Generally, there is good reason why vehicles are sold as they are. While I recognize that mods can add to performance, I also know that many of these result in unintended problems. For example, lowering a vehicle seems attractive, but suddenly it's easily damaged when driven up one's driveway.
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      12-14-2017, 08:13 AM   #6
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Generally, there is good reason why vehicles are sold as they are. While I recognize that mods can add to performance, I also know that many of these result in unintended problems. For example, lowering a vehicle seems attractive, but suddenly it's easily damaged when driven up one's driveway.
I totally agree, and tend to keep things stock, personally.

But apparently these diesels suffer from some issues to compensate for the egregious EPA standards.

Specifically, the EGR usually causes tremendous carbon build up in the intake manifold, and it's apparently not resolved with a simple walnut shell blast from an Indy (read- dealer has to do it)
The Particulate filter and urea system have major issues as well, and in the 335D world many remove these items and get better reliability.

I'd be all for reliability...performance is nice but almost useless in the USA...

I haven't read anything about how the F10 535D fares here in the US, but love the idea of diesel power and driveability.
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Thanks guys!

Have any of you done any of the common mods? Like EGR or DPF delete with a tune?
My car is in the shop now getting the "abc deletes" e90 335d. i would take a gander and the e90post forum and in the M57/N57 section. there is also a facebook group too. Mainly e90's and X5 35d's but there seems to be development on the tuning side happening now with the hand full of tuners.

some 335d's are 350+whp and 575+wtq but also getting avg 40+ mpg.

also i swayed one of my VP's to get the 535d vs 535i...and he loves it! hence why i was snooping on this page bc looking a possible 2nd car in a couple of years...and make the e90 more track focused. PS: the car is fun on the track!
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Thanks guys!

Have any of you done any of the common mods? Like EGR or DPF delete with a tune?
My car is in the shop now getting the "abc deletes" e90 335d. i would take a gander and the e90post forum and in the M57/N57 section. there is also a facebook group too. Mainly e90's and X5 35d's but there seems to be development on the tuning side happening now with the hand full of tuners.

some 335d's are 350+whp and 575+wtq but also getting avg 40+ mpg.

also i swayed one of my VP's to get the 535d vs 535i...and he loves it! hence why i was snooping on this page bc looking a possible 2nd car in a couple of years...and make the e90 more track focused. PS: the car is fun on the track!
Thanks!
Are the "deletes" expensive or difficult to do? I would have a shop do it along with a tune to make sure the ECU is happy.

I don't know that I need the extra performance, I just don't want to get stranded or have carbon issues or urea crystallization issues ...(away from home on a road trip with wife and baby...)
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I am just about to hit 70k miles in my 2014 535d and had two issues in my ownership. The evaporator for the AC (nothing to do with the diesel) and had to replace the EGR valve for a few hundred. Other than that no issues at all.
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Are the "deletes" expensive or difficult to do? I would have a shop do it along with a tune to make sure the ECU is happy.

I don't know that I need the extra performance, I just don't want to get stranded or have carbon issues or urea crystallization issues ...(away from home on a road trip with wife and baby...)

The main players are JR, BPC, Malone as far as BMW diesel tuning in the US. I have decided to go with McChip-Dkr because the tuner is local to me and a friend. Also they have experience with commercial diesels and Mclarens, Porsches, AMG etc. they are based out of germany. also I am getting it dyno tuned vs just an off the shelf tune that the others offer. I like the idea of bespoke to ensure everything is operating well.

cost, bare bones you can get away with a stage 1 tune and a new downpipe to delete your DPF. your SCR (where the pee pee is sprayed) either you can gut it (open it up and take the stuff out, weld it back), or just change your exhaust, not sure about the F10 but e90 its all 1 pc, so cant just replace with a midpipe, would need a catback (on top of new downpipe) to avoid modifying OE exhaust.

EGR you can code to valve to stay shut so you actually dont have Exhaust gas entering your intake, and/or you can just put little block off plates on your EGR to prevent exhaust to flow into your intake.

Price, not sure how similar the Euro spec is to the US, but e90 US has the SCR (and DEF tanks), euro doesnt. because of that not many cars on the road here so parts are kinda pricey but hey its a BMW. but if it is the same as euro 535d parts might be more readily available and cheaper.


400-600 for a downpipe
800-1500 for a Catback (if desired), gutted SCR you would only pay for labor.
800-1400 for a tune

3k-4k think would get you covered with labor but also i look at it as preventative maintenance because you literally eliminate your common problem child issues. while better performance, better mpg.

also i almost see no reason to not opt for the performance gain,

the new Alpina D5s makes the following numbers

With 388 hp and 800 Newtonmeter of torque so i say shoot for the stars!

again not a diesel expert or anything still a new owner 1.5 years and first time owning a diesel but thats basically what i weighed when i was looking to purchase. also I would recommend not touching the car until your warranty is up, so you also have time to create a rainy day/delete fund for the car. as soon as my car hit 70k i went to get it deleted/tuned.

and if you already dont know diesel motors tend to hold value better and also tend to run longer than gas engines.
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      12-14-2017, 03:25 PM   #11
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You guys have been super helpful. Really appreciate it!
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      12-15-2017, 06:17 AM   #12
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Spitifire, Your concerns about being stranded and urea might be addressed on the X5 forum as that vehicle has the same engine as the 535d and is far more common. With a bigger universe of users, those issues, if indeed problems, might have been discussed.
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I have a 2015 European 530d which is the same car as the North American 535d.

I like it - it's quick, powerful and frugal.

But the only reason I drive it is because gas here is $6 a gallon.

If it wasn't, I wouldnt even consider a diesel, I'd have the 535i. It's just better.
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Good luck finding the one you want. I've been looking for almost 3 months for an M-Sport with a non black interior under $35K
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      12-28-2017, 05:06 AM   #15
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Good luck finding the one you want. I've been looking for almost 3 months for an M-Sport with a non black interior under $35K
Yeah seems tough to find....good luck!
(Doing the same, btw!)
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Took me six months of searching and found a certified one 600 miles from home. Good ones and those not painted black seemed to sell fast. Also, multi-contour seats were not that common even in with the M sport trim.
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I got a CPO '14 in '16 and besides a camera malfunction, no issues. I bought it because I do 70 miles a day but after owning it, I would totally buy another. The instant power is awesome. I had a 535i loaner and it didn't do it for me like the d does. I was happy to get my car back.

Also have ACS springs on it and love those as well. First time I lowered a car and didn't regret it later haha. It truly does ride better than stock, not just firmer.
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Had the opportunity to compare 2 liter diesel and gas versions of X3 when I was provided a gas-powered loaner. Shared your feeling about the instant power of the diesel. Even though the diesel version is not as quick in 0 to 60 comparison, it feels more powerful and zippy especially in city driving. Was glad to get my car back after it was serviced. Have not had a chance to compare my 535d with 535i, but you seem to like the former.
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Would you guys buy a '14 with around 75000 miles?

Hey, check out this car I found on Cars.com: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...ff=share_other
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I have a 2015 European 530d which is the same car as the North American 535d.

I like it - it's quick, powerful and frugal.

But the only reason I drive it is because gas here is $6 a gallon.

If it wasn't, I wouldnt even consider a diesel, I'd have the 535i. It's just better.
This!!!! I grew up in Europe and even then we refused to buy diesel cars. There is no way I would even consider one in the US given low gas prices.

There was a 535d that dealer was offering a much larger discount on when I was buying my 535i and I passed and will always pass. It's msrp was 72k and I rejected it for $59k..... I still have it's build sheet somewhere.

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I would always opt for the diesel version, especially for lower fuel costs and more real driving torque. It really comes down to how you drive. If you like to rev it up, get the gasser and enjoy frequent fill-ups. There is no comparison with older diesels except perhaps the 2005-2006 MB E320 CDI which was great. At 100,000 miles, the gassers start to need a lot while diesels are just breaking in.

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So what's the real world experience and cost of the diesel additive? What happens if one runs out? CAN one run out? How many miles does it last? Isn't there also the issue that the diesel is really only good for long hauls and not so good for mainly in-town driving?
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