[sali]

If one had an offer to swap a lease an XJ Supercharged, should one take it and get rid of 535i?

The 535i (dont have sports package) is nice but the steering is light. Also, XJ is 470 bhp vs 306 bhp for 535i.

What do you guys think?

[hks786]

XJ FTW

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by sali

If one had an offer to swap a lease an XJ Supercharged, should one take it and get rid of 535i?

The 535i (dont have sports package) is nice but the steering is light. Also, XJ is 470 bhp vs 306 bhp for 535i.

What do you guys think?

The steering is light? Thats why you would get rid of it? The XJ has no issues?

You can best answer the question by test driving and comparing apples to apples

[sali]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

The steering is light? Thats why you would get rid of it? The XJ has no issues?

You can best answer the question by test driving and comparing apples to apples

I did a test drive and steering on XJ had better feedback in dynamic/sports mode and interior was nice. Question is the paperwork worth it?

[vdubturbo]

Kind of a cool/intriguing trade. Supercharged XJ is pretty mean looking when optioned out right. Never driven one though.

[Bimmernerd]

I used to work with Jaguar several years ago. Unless Tata Motors have improved their quite crappy quality a lot I would never choose a Jag...

However the previous XJR had a really nice engine, I loved the sound and performance!

Just my 2 cents.

[Matt01]

What year xj and is it the supercharged?

[sali]

2012 and supercharged.

Luckily the supercharged is heated/cooled seats with a 1200 watt sound system (not sure what I will do with that)

[Matt01]

Originally Posted by sali

2012 and supercharged.

Luckily the supercharged is heated/cooled seats with a 1200 watt sound system (not sure what I will do with that)

Do it.... Drove a xj supersport around a oulton park race track, spectacular! No other words to describe it... It's in a whole other league to the f10...

[Needsdecaf]

AS long as you can stomach not looking at it from the outside....

[eire42]

Having owned a 550xi for the past couple of months, I couldn't be happier. However I also had a Jaguar XJ on an extended 5 day test last summer. Personally, given the choice between an XJ supercharged or a 535i, I'd take the Jag as it's more fun to drive with a lot more power to offer compared to the 535i. The BMW exterior is better looking, but Jaguar certainly isn't ugly. For me, all wheel drive is a must have option which is why I bought the 550xi. Good luck.

[JNoSol]

I hope the XJ got plenty of warranty left. Jags and Range Rovers (same engine) spend more time at the dealership than your driveway. If you need more power in your 535i, consider chipping it (additional 55hp and 60lb of tq). You will miss the incredible BMW mpg.

Good luck.

[Matt01]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

I hope the XJ got plenty of warranty left. Jags and Range Rovers (same engine) spend more time at the dealership than your driveway. If you need more power in your 535i, consider chipping it (additional 55hp and 60lb of tq). You will miss the incredible BMW mpg.

Good luck.

Once upon a time maybe, not anymore....

[Bimmernerd]

Originally Posted by Matt01

Do it.... Drove a xj supersport around a oulton park race track, spectacular! No other words to describe it... It's in a whole other league to the f10...

A whole other league in terms of quality (or lack of it...) yes.

The ratings below speak for themselves:

http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-535-2012/reliability/

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Jaguar-XJ-2012/reliability/

Good luck with your choice!

[joey5622]

Love the interior of the jag, can't say anything nice about the exterior tho! Haha it has an abnormal and awkward rear shape...

Question tho, has anyone here had any problems since they were acquired by Tata? Not to hate but I can't get over this feeling of them cost cutting...

[smashhell]

Jags have the worst reliability rating ever. Even today. I would never buy one because of that 　

[sali]

Originally Posted by smashhell

Jags have the worst reliability rating ever. Even today. I would never buy one because of that 　

True, Jaguar are worse in reliability than BMW but not that much better.

My F10 had a HPFP failure at 5000 miles.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by sali

If one had an offer to swap a lease an XJ Supercharged, should one take it and get rid of 535i?

The 535i (dont have sports package) is nice but the steering is light. Also, XJ is 470 bhp vs 306 bhp for 535i.

What do you guys think?

Take it. That's a no brainer deal.

[rexus300]

I would take it. We have 2 family members with the new Jaguar XJ after I have pushed them into getting one due to improvement in reliability after acquisition by Tata. They are all very happy with the XJ and are impressed even after 1 year of ownership. I love it and would get one over the 5.

[Bimmernerd]

Originally Posted by rexus300

I would take it. We have 2 family members with the new Jaguar XJ after I have pushed them into getting one due to improvement in reliability after acquisition by Tata. They are all very happy with the XJ and are impressed even after 1 year of ownership. I love it and would get one over the 5.

Actually the XJ 2011 is worse in reliability than XJ 2008 according to J.D. Power. For more details see the links previously posted in this thread. Tata Motor´s acquisition of Jaguar was complete in June 2008.

Short summary below:

Jaguar XJ 2011 Reliability avg: 2,8
Jaguar XJ 2008 Reliability avg: 3,6

BMW 535i 2011 Reliability avg: 3,6
BMW 535i 2010 Reliability avg: 3,4

JDPower.com´s Power Circle ratings are:

5 (Among the best)
4 (Better than most)
3 (About average)
2 (The rest)

Eight different areas are measured:

Overall Quality - Mechanical
Powertrain Quality - Mechanical
Body & Interior Quality - Mechanical
Features & Accessories Quality - Mechanical
Overall Quality - Design
Powertrain Quality - Design
Body & Interior Quality - Design
Features & Accessories Quality - Design

[rexus300]

But those reliability datas are never accurate to be honest. Never. They rated many cars below average that turned out to be better than others. 1 of the 2011 XJ owned by our family friend has 30k miles on it. Has not been into the dealer once! So I am not surprised. The owner drive 35k miles/year for work. My father drives his 2006 Audi A8L 35k a year too and has over 165k miles right now. I take care of the car and get the warranty repairs done when needed but the A8 has never been in the shop for more than 1 week over a period of 6 years for any problems. Just simple servicing every 10k miles and replacement of brake pads 3 times (50k miles each set), transmission reprogrammed, and replacement of rear trunk hinge, MMI updates, light bulbs replacement, and now will be doing the control arm bushings as they are worn out. Cars are alot more reliable than 10 years ago so its does not matter as much.

Jaguar and Land Rover are much better off with Tata. They are building more models with more options, creativity, and better qualities over the predecessors. It takes time but it has been doing well. At the end the Jaguar XJ is drop dead gorgeous and will not be a bad alternative to the 5.

[Bimmernerd]

Originally Posted by rexus300

But those reliability datas are never accurate to be honest. Never. They rated many cars below average that turned out to be better than others. 1 of the 2011 XJ owned by our family friend has 30k miles on it. Has not been into the dealer once! So I am not surprised. The owner drive 35k miles/year for work. My father drives his 2006 Audi A8L 35k a year too and has over 165k miles right now. I take care of the car and get the warranty repairs done when needed but the A8 has never been in the shop for more than 1 week over a period of 6 years for any problems. Just simple servicing every 10k miles and replacement of brake pads 3 times (50k miles each set), transmission reprogrammed, and replacement of rear trunk hinge, MMI updates, light bulbs replacement, and now will be doing the control arm bushings as they are worn out. Cars are alot more reliable than 10 years ago so its does not matter as much.

Jaguar and Land Rover are much better off with Tata. They are building more models with more options, creativity, and better qualities over the predecessors. It takes time but it has been doing well. At the end the Jaguar XJ is drop dead gorgeous and will not be a bad alternative to the 5.

Yes they are better off with Tata, to get a better owner than Ford was not difficult. Just take a look at X-type...what a joke! Like I said in my first post in this thread, I really liked the engine in the previous XJR, fabulous!! However I know how much time and money were spent at the mechanics for a lot of the cars that were sold as I worked for a couple of years with Jaguar and Land Rover (Land Rovers were even worse, much worse...)

But I don´t agree that J.D. Power´s ratings are incorrect...never...If you experience a reliable XJ 2011 you are probably lucky. Have you looked at the ratings for Lexus all models? Outstanding, no other brand comes close! And I am certainly not a fan of Japanese cars at all but the facts are there, they are of really better quality than all other competitors.