F10 pulling to the right...

LuvMyE92 · 06-02-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

My car has just now (at 6K miles) decided to start pulling a bit to the right. The vague on center and adjustment issue has been there from day one. Next month the BMW Field Service Engineer (I think that's right - they refer to him as the FSE) will be examining my car for my poor idle issue, and while it's in the shop I'm going to have them look at the steering.

Just to update you guys and gals:

They bumped up the idle speed by 60 RPM in hopes that it will fix the problem. Got the car back yesterday, and it is much improved. Time will tell, as the problem doesn't happen all the time.

They also loaded new software for the EPS and the pull to the right seems to be improved, maybe not 100% perfect but the steering has never been right on this car. They don't think it wanders on the highway, but it seems like I'm constantly making small steering corrections that either I don't have to do on other cars, or because their hydraulic assist feels so much better I don't notice that I'm doing it.

There are some things on this car that are so brilliant I do enjoy driving it most of the time, but the steering remains just plain weird and I'm thinking of getting rid of the car.

I realize that I'm lucky (although luck had nothing to do with it) that I didn't buy the car when it first came out and instead let you early adopters get BMW to figure out the steering issues. However, with a September 2010 build date, I'd hoped that all of those issues had been addressed in production changes but obviously I was wrong.

Needsdecaf · 06-02-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

Just to update you guys and gals:

They bumped up the idle speed by 60 RPM in hopes that it will fix the problem. Got the car back yesterday, and it is much improved. Time will tell, as the problem doesn't happen all the time.

They also loaded new software for the EPS and the pull to the right seems to be improved, maybe not 100% perfect but the steering has never been right on this car. They don't think it wanders on the highway, but it seems like I'm constantly making small steering corrections that either I don't have to do on other cars, or because their hydraulic assist feels so much better I don't notice that I'm doing it.

There are some things on this car that are so brilliant I do enjoy driving it most of the time, but the steering remains just plain weird and I'm thinking of getting rid of the car.

I realize that I'm lucky (although luck had nothing to do with it) that I didn't buy the car when it first came out and instead let you early adopters get BMW to figure out the steering issues. However, with a September 2010 build date, I'd hoped that all of those issues had been addressed in production changes but obviously I was wrong.

Did they not do the spring rotation? I was told that makes the biggest difference.

LuvMyE92 · 06-02-2011, 10:08 AM

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Did they not do the spring rotation? I was told that makes the biggest difference.

First I'd heard of that fix. But no, they just did the software.

Needsdecaf · 06-02-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

First I'd heard of that fix. But no, they just did the software.

Fix is listed in my saga above. If they don't know about it, have them contact BMWNA and ask.

I'm still waiting for a copy of my service invoice.

Norcal_335i · 06-10-2011, 01:25 AM

Has anyone got under their car to see if sway bar is centered?...Mine was off centered and pulled hard to right....I centered it and problem solved.

LuvMyE92 · 06-10-2011, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Fix is listed in my saga above.

This is a 25 page thread!!!!

Needsdecaf · 06-10-2011, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

This is a 25 page thread!!!!

It's on page 24.

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=525

just516in · 06-15-2011, 07:09 PM

just got a call from the dealer telling me they are finishing up installing the steering update you guys been talking about. he also told me that if that still didnt fix the pull they will do the strut rotation and of course an alignment after.

i also told them about the rough idle at start up and he said there was a recall on the fuel sender or something like that and they changed it out too. he also found a nail in one of the tires and he said that they were going to replace it... my question is, do they really have to replace the whole tired instead of patching it up? ive never had RTFs do i really dont know. (i have the tired and rim warranty)

BMWrules7 · 06-15-2011, 08:39 PM

Run flats are structurally sound in a deflated state for about 50 miles (or more depending on weight, speed, and road conditions.)

Once you get a flat there is no safe way to monitor the number of miles driven in a deflated state. Thus, while the leak can generally be repaired there is no replacement mechanism for the deflated structure, excepting to replace the tire.

So, manufacturers have come to the conclusion that the tire should be replaced after a flat.

I suppose if each tire maintained a separate odometer to keep track of miles driven in a deflated state you might be able to repair it. But, what good is a RFT if you can't count on a full 50 miles in the event you incur a flat.

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Originally Posted by just516in

just got a call from the dealer telling me they are finishing up installing the steering update you guys been talking about. he also told me that if that still didnt fix the pull they will do the strut rotation and of course an alignment after.

i also told them about the rough idle at start up and he said there was a recall on the fuel sender or something like that and they changed it out too. he also found a nail in one of the tires and he said that they were going to replace it... my question is, do they really have to replace the whole tired instead of patching it up? ive never had RTFs do i really dont know. (i have the tired and rim warranty)

SpyderWeb · 06-16-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by just516in

just got a call from the dealer telling me they are finishing up installing the steering update you guys been talking about. he also told me that if that still didnt fix the pull they will do the strut rotation and of course an alignment after.

i also told them about the rough idle at start up and he said there was a recall on the fuel sender or something like that and they changed it out too. he also found a nail in one of the tires and he said that they were going to replace it... my question is, do they really have to replace the whole tired instead of patching it up? ive never had RTFs do i really dont know. (i have the tired and rim warranty)

So was the recall on the fuel sender?? I asked my dealer and they had not heard of the rough idle issue. My car goes in the shop for the pulling to the right issue on the 27th and I would love for them to fix the idle issue if there is a recall. Thanks

just516in · 06-16-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by just516in

just got a call from the dealer telling me they are finishing up installing the steering update you guys been talking about. he also told me that if that still didnt fix the pull they will do the strut rotation and of course an alignment after.

i also told them about the rough idle at start up and he said there was a recall on the fuel sender or something like that and they changed it out too. he also found a nail in one of the tires and he said that they were going to replace it... my question is, do they really have to replace the whole tired instead of patching it up? ive never had RTFs do i really dont know. (i have the tired and rim warranty)

So was the recall on the fuel sender?? I asked my dealer and they had not heard of the rough idle issue. My car goes in the shop for the pulling to the right issue on the 27th and I would love for them to fix the idle issue if there is a recall. Thanks

Well I told them that it ha a rough idle and he told me that they were not pulling and codes. Then he told me that they replaced the fuel sender... I'll put up a work order when I get it back today or tomorrow

yogi799 · 09-01-2011, 09:58 PM

Mine does it too... Just picked it up two days ago and noticed immediately on a freeway drive home. It is extremely slight, I don't have to exert much force to keep it straight - yet when i let go, it slowly creeps right. Shame on BMW to say the least. I was so hoping my July 2011 build would have all those old issues eliminated. :-(.

Could this be corrected by slightly over inflating the right tire? I really hate to have my new car disassembled by the dealer at one week old

Onesy · 09-02-2011, 12:22 PM

I am having the same issue with my 135 (posted my story here). I know this thread is concerning the 5 series but, could this be the issue with my vehicle as well? The techs at BMW have tried everything short of the software update referenced in this thread. As of yesterday, they said they would be contacting Germany as they have no idea what to do next.

The frame checks fine but, could it still have been in an accident? That's the only suggestion I've received over in the 1 series forum.

just516in · 09-02-2011, 10:50 PM

did they rotate your struts?

CarolinaKen · 09-03-2011, 08:07 AM

Hello all,

I'm looking to buy a used/CPO 528i soon. I've read all 25 pages of this post and have come to this conclusion:

Buy one with a later build date than Sept 2010. While not guaranteed to be pull free, has a better chance.

Is this pulling issue on all of the F10's? Most of the posts are by owners of 535 or 550's. Are 528's affected?

I see Dynamic Handling Package and Electronic Power Steering mentioned in a few threads as well.

I'd much rather hear your thoughts than a salesmans or SA bull.

Thanks

Onesy · 09-03-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by just516in

did they rotate your struts?

They changed out the struts because one appeared slightly bent. With new struts it still pulls to the right. But, not as much as before. I haven't driven it since I took it in 3weeks ago so, not sure if it's a slight enough pull to where I can live with it. The shop foreman keeps saying he's still not comfortable with it. They have an engineer coming out on Wednesday. So... We'll see! I'll keep you posted.

yogi799 · 09-03-2011, 09:44 AM

Ok just to clarify, my pull is barely noticeable. I assume most drivers would have never noticed, perhaps even myself included had I not been reading about this on many forums. The car drives really well with a tiny super mini pull which could even be attributed to road slanting. Did not notice it in my e46 but... All is 'mostly' fine...

Onesy · 09-10-2011, 10:08 AM

It ended up being two tires that were pushing/pulling the car to the right. BMWs alignment machine was calibrated wrong and producing bad readings which didn't aid in the troubleshooting process. Once their machine was re-calibrated they were able to determine the push/pull was coming from the tires. Too bad it took 3 weeks to figure it out!

So glad to have her back!

Needsdecaf · 09-11-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by yogi799

Ok just to clarify, my pull is barely noticeable. I assume most drivers would have never noticed, perhaps even myself included had I not been reading about this on many forums. The car drives really well with a tiny super mini pull which could even be attributed to road slanting. Did not notice it in my e46 but... All is 'mostly' fine...

You don't have the issue. That's just the way the car is...hell, all cars will pull with the crown of the road.

This pull is NOTICABLE. Like one, two, three...hey guardrail!

r3amir · 09-11-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesy

It ended up being two tires that were pushing/pulling the car to the right. BMWs alignment machine was calibrated wrong and producing bad readings which didn't aid in the troubleshooting process. Once their machine was re-calibrated they were able to determine the push/pull was coming from the tires. Too bad it took 3 weeks to figure it out!

So glad to have her back!

Las Vegas Sahara dealer got the right pull fixed on my car about 10 months ago, still runs great.

Good to know, that your car's pull is fixed, enjoy your car

enzeru · 09-11-2011, 09:45 PM

thank god mine working just fine haven't experienced any pulling. Anyway, my 2010 535 is RHD and from reading through this thread it might it only happen in LHD.

yogi799 · 09-14-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

You don't have the issue. That's just the way the car is...hell, all cars will pull with the crown of the road.

This pull is NOTICABLE. Like one, two, three...hey guardrail!

OK, so I sort of hope you're right and hope you're wrong at the same time

Right, because I hope my car if fine, but wrong because I do feel the damn thing especially on highway. Again, it seems super minor, especially in the left lane which is sort of slanted leftwards to begin with, so it kinda centers out.... Almost no pull at the city speeds. Again, "almost" but always a slight feel. Damn... should I pursue this thing or just leave it be? Mind would drift to another lane in about 5-7 seconds if left uncontrolled. Would reducing air pressure in the left wheel slightly adjust my problem? (and a second question, that's not air in those tires, is it? Nitrogen or smthg? I presume I cannot pump it myself?)

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Norcal_335i First Lieutenant 25 Rep 321 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 335i Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Roseville, CA iTrader: (4)	Has anyone got under their car to see if sway bar is centered?...Mine was off centered and pulled hard to right....I centered it and problem solved.
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just516in Private 30 Rep 75 Posts Drives: 2011 535i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Houston, Tx iTrader: (0)	just got a call from the dealer telling me they are finishing up installing the steering update you guys been talking about. he also told me that if that still didnt fix the pull they will do the strut rotation and of course an alignment after. i also told them about the rough idle at start up and he said there was a recall on the fuel sender or something like that and they changed it out too. he also found a nail in one of the tires and he said that they were going to replace it... my question is, do they really have to replace the whole tired instead of patching it up? ive never had RTFs do i really dont know. (i have the tired and rim warranty)
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yogi799 Private First Class 5 Rep 100 Posts Drives: '11 535i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Mine does it too... Just picked it up two days ago and noticed immediately on a freeway drive home. It is extremely slight, I don't have to exert much force to keep it straight - yet when i let go, it slowly creeps right. Shame on BMW to say the least. I was so hoping my July 2011 build would have all those old issues eliminated. :-(. Could this be corrected by slightly over inflating the right tire? I really hate to have my new car disassembled by the dealer at one week old __________________ 2011 535i F10 delivered 1999 328i E46 retired Kill time at the pump! http://logmympg.com
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Onesy New Member 3 Rep 8 Posts Drives: '11 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 M3 [0.00] 2011 BMW 135i [0.00]	135i pulls/drifts right I am having the same issue with my 135 (posted my story here). I know this thread is concerning the 5 series but, could this be the issue with my vehicle as well? The techs at BMW have tried everything short of the software update referenced in this thread. As of yesterday, they said they would be contacting Germany as they have no idea what to do next. The frame checks fine but, could it still have been in an accident? That's the only suggestion I've received over in the 1 series forum.
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just516in Private 30 Rep 75 Posts Drives: 2011 535i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Houston, Tx iTrader: (0)	did they rotate your struts?
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CarolinaKen New Member 0 Rep 6 Posts Drives: 11 528i & 00 Z3 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: South Carolina iTrader: (0)	Is pulling model specific? Hello all, I'm looking to buy a used/CPO 528i soon. I've read all 25 pages of this post and have come to this conclusion: Buy one with a later build date than Sept 2010. While not guaranteed to be pull free, has a better chance. Is this pulling issue on all of the F10's? Most of the posts are by owners of 535 or 550's. Are 528's affected? I see Dynamic Handling Package and Electronic Power Steering mentioned in a few threads as well. I'd much rather hear your thoughts than a salesmans or SA bull. Thanks
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yogi799 Private First Class 5 Rep 100 Posts Drives: '11 535i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Ok just to clarify, my pull is barely noticeable. I assume most drivers would have never noticed, perhaps even myself included had I not been reading about this on many forums. The car drives really well with a tiny super mini pull which could even be attributed to road slanting. Did not notice it in my e46 but... All is 'mostly' fine... __________________ 2011 535i F10 delivered 1999 328i E46 retired Kill time at the pump! http://logmympg.com
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09-10-2011, 10:08 AM	#546
Onesy New Member 3 Rep 8 Posts Drives: '11 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 M3 [0.00] 2011 BMW 135i [0.00]	It ended up being two tires that were pushing/pulling the car to the right. BMWs alignment machine was calibrated wrong and producing bad readings which didn't aid in the troubleshooting process. Once their machine was re-calibrated they were able to determine the push/pull was coming from the tires. Too bad it took 3 weeks to figure it out! So glad to have her back!
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enzeru is writing a message 12 Rep 146 Posts Drives: F10/GL500 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Jakarta iTrader: (0)	thank god mine working just fine haven't experienced any pulling. Anyway, my 2010 535 is RHD and from reading through this thread it might it only happen in LHD.
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