[ziekxq]

I'm planning on tuning my N55 535i xdrive, my question is will increase the boost cause engine to die faster or turbos to wear out quicker.

Also to be noted the tune will be done keeping 93 octane in mind, what is the stock psi and will 20 psi be a safe bet for long ivity?

One more thing, I don't usually take my car above 4k rpm on day to day driving, only when I feel the need or in the mood or you know standing on a red light not always though.

[MattPro]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

I'm planning on tuning my N55 535i xdrive, my question is will increase the boost cause engine to die faster or turbos to wear out quicker.

Also to be noted the tune will be done keeping 93 octane in mind, what is the stock psi and will 20 psi be a safe bet for long ivity?

One more thing, I don't usually take my car above 4k rpm on day to day driving, only when I feel the need or in the mood or you know standing on a red light not always though.

The short answer is yes, it will decrease the life of the engine and turbos, but by how much is hard to say. If you're not going crazy with power you most likely will never find out because you'll get rid of the car long before you run into any issues. But you can't escape the laws of physics.

One thing to keep in mind though is that increasing power will show any weak components, whether that be coilpacks or fuel pumps. So just have an open mind to replacing some things when you go down this route!

In my experience it is always worth it though

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by MattPro

The short answer is yes, it will decrease the life of the engine and turbos, but by how much is hard to say. If you're not going crazy with power you most likely will never find out because you'll get rid of the car long before you run into any issues. But you can't escape the laws of physics.

One thing to keep in mind though is that increasing power will show any weak components, whether that be coilpacks or fuel pumps. So just have an open mind to replacing some things when you go down this route!

In my experience it is always worth it though

I'm not planning on selling this car at all. After it runs out of CPO I plan on keeping it. I also plan on buying a second car as a daily driver so.i don't put too much miles on this one. Hopefully also in the near future buy my self an M4, but I still want to keep this bimmer!

Just I have never sold a car I ever bought but they always got totaled lol (I was never at fault lol). 0 tickets on my record.

Another thing I notice is that it says you live in Buffalo Grove, I live very near to woodfield.mall .

[ziekxq]

Oh and I'm going to use enzo performance upgrade so probably.only 100hp and 100tq that's about it nothing more crazy.

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

Oh and I'm going to use enzo performance upgrade so probably.only 100hp and 100tq that's about it nothing more crazy.

Are you saying 100hp or 100whp? If you can pull a 100whp out of your 535 keep us posted. I have a MP stage 1 flash tune that's putting down 318hp to the wheels and a stage 2 coming soon with DP anticipated whp is 350whp. So if Enzo can hit 100whp on our whips post a dyno. You can easily gain 125+WTQ

[lsturbointeg]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

Oh and I'm going to use enzo performance upgrade so probably.only 100hp and 100tq that's about it nothing more crazy.

Good luck with that! Keep us posted when you do!

[vivanapoli806]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

Are you saying 100hp or 100whp? If you can pull a 100whp out of your 535 keep us posted. I have a MP stage 1 flash tune that's putting down 318hp to the wheels and a stage 2 coming soon with DP anticipated whp is 350whp. So if Enzo can hit 100whp on our whips post a dyno. You can easily gain 125+WTQ

I'm pretty sure Enzo measures his numbers at the crank. I also saw on Instagram that PTF is working on an F series tune im interested to see what they come up with.

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by vivanapoli806

I'm pretty sure Enzo measures his numbers at the crank. I also saw on Instagram that PTF is working on an F series tune im interested to see what they come up with.

I talk to the guy on the phone and he told me 358 hp on the wheels. Forgot the number he gave me for torque but i think was like 378tq on the wheel.

I will be using downpipes provided by them

[vivanapoli806]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

I talk to the guy on the phone and he told me 358 hp on the wheels. Forgot the number he gave me for torque but i think was like 378tq on the wheel.

I will be using downpipes provided by them

That's not going to happen. After you factor in drive train loss plus awd you won't be at that at the wheels I don't believe. On my n54 I was at 350 at the the wheels with just a Cobb tune but that's a diff story. You will still get a good bump in power but almost 360 at the wheels on just a tune and dp with n55 engine and awd car isn't likely

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by vivanapoli806

I'm pretty sure Enzo measures his numbers at the crank. I also saw on Instagram that PTF is working on an F series tune im interested to see what they come up with.

They've been teasing and working on that F series tune since Nov 2015 if I'm not mistaken still nothing nor updates.. They actually showed some tease that they will be working on some Upgraded Turbo M4 but nothing is out.

ziekxq what year is your car? EWG or PWG?

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by vivanapoli806

That's not going to happen. After you factor in drive train loss plus awd you won't be at that at the wheels I don't believe. On my n54 I was at 350 at the the wheels with just a Cobb tune but that's a diff story. You will still get a good bump in power but almost 360 at the wheels on just a tune and dp with n55 engine and awd car isn't likely

They said 14 day money back grantee.

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by ROBNYC

They've been teasing and working on that F series tune since Nov 2015 if I'm not mistaken still nothing nor updates.. They actually showed some tease that they will be working on some Upgraded Turbo M4 but nothing is out.

ziekxq what year is your car? EWG or PWG?

It is a 2011 and it is PWG.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

It is a 2011 and it is PWG.

Well xenoz535 said Enzo is not tuning PWG F10, unless you already confirmed that they are ?

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by ROBNYC

Well xenoz535 said Enzo is not tuning PWG F10, unless you already confirmed that they are ?

The guy Renato from enzo that I talk to said they are doing PWG.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

The guy Renato from enzo that I talk to said they are doing PWG.

Awesome! You should be good to go

[mike@x-ph.com]

If it is a good map with reasonable increase it will not cause any damages to your engine or turbos.

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

If it is a good map with reasonable increase it will not cause any damages to your engine or turbos.

Enzo said 14 day money back grantee plus 1 year 12k mile warranty, I have yet to find out what that means.

Though I just talk to mission performance guy and he uses less boost to get about same.power and shows concerns about longevity of the vehicle, meaning they wont push the car beyond what the internal parts can handle, where as I didn't get that from enzo performance. They were more about how can we convince this guy to go buy our highest package.

Now the debate

My initial thoughts:

Enzo performance goes by he got money to spend he will replace the car before anything blows. Oh also they have 20+ years of experience.

Mission performance goes by how can we make.more power yet be under manufacturer guidelines and prevent damage. Issues? They seem new and do not offer warranty from what I can tell.

Oh they both price about equal. Only.upside going mission performance is that they can flash or make changes over wifi compare to enzo where you have to send it in.

Enzo also saves your original file and I have yet to find out if mission does that as well and enzo provides free software updates. I forgot.to ask mission guy about this.

Overall I think I might go towards mission performance due to their concern about internals and the guy knew his stuff and was ready to provide some.basic technical.stuff done to ecu whereas enzo guy had to go find the paper to refer everything to or provide information.

We will see I'm still deciding I'll let you guys know.

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by ziekxq

I talk to the guy on the phone and he told me 358 hp on the wheels. Forgot the number he gave me for torque but i think was like 378tq on the wheel.

I will be using downpipes provided by them

I can't confirm that you'll actually get 350 at the wheels on a F10 since there are no dyno proving otherwise. I know on the F30 it's totally possible with a stage 2 tune and a DP. It might be possible soon on the F10 with new rpm remapping and some other top secret parameters that MP is working on. I'm getting the DP, 3.5 map sensors and stage 2 tune from them next week and will dyno shortly after so we shall see about 350whp for the 535i. If you can have Enzo tune your F10 to 350whp on the stock turbo please share with us. F10 seriously needs a break through especially with a lot of us now falling out of warranty.

Manual F10 N55 can safely hit 420wtq and auto should be able to get 450wtq. Sub 300's is very conservative

[vivanapoli806]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

I can't confirm that you'll actually get 350 at the wheels on a F10 since there are no dyno proving otherwise. I know on the F30 it's totally possible with a stage 2 tune and a DP. It might be possible soon on the F10 with new rpm remapping and some other top secret parameters that MP is working on. I'm getting the DP, 3.5 map sensors and stage 2 tune from them next week and will dyno shortly after so we shall see about 350whp for the 535i. If you can have Enzo tune your F10 to 350whp on the stock turbo please share with us. F10 seriously needs a break through especially with a lot of us now falling out of warranty.

Manual F10 N55 can safely hit 420wtq and auto should be able to get 450wtq. Sub 300's is very conservative

Do you know if you have to run the the 3.5 if you choose stage 2? I'm thinking mission might be my choice and only want to run aftermarket dp and fmic with it?

[Bmw doubles]

Yes the map sensor with proper scaling is a stage 2 mod. FMIC is a very good idea even recommended from MissionPerformance as part of the upgrade. I will be upgrading to stage 2, map sensors and DP with no FMIC upgrade. We'll see how long that last. What I can say about the FMIC though is on a previous tune I was running 20+ psi getting the same hp and no heat soak. MP has figured out how to get the same hp as my last tune in less psi. So we'll see when I boost levels higher if the heat soaking becomes a problem. The 535's have a pretty nice OEM intercooler.

[ziekxq]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

Yes the map sensor with proper scaling is a stage 2 mod. FMIC is a very good idea even recommended from MissionPerformance as part of the upgrade. I will be upgrading to stage 2, map sensors and DP with no FMIC upgrade. We'll see how long that last. What I can say about the FMIC though is on a previous tune I was running 20+ psi getting the same hp and no heat soak. MP has figured out how to get the same hp as my last tune in less psi. So we'll see when I boost levels higher if the heat soaking becomes a problem. The 535's have a pretty nice OEM intercooler.

Do you know if they save the original file to go back to stock if needed? I know enzo performance does that.

Another thing that I was concern with was that mission performance never told me about getting new getting map sensors, I thought original ones would work but someone know which ones to get ?

[Bmw doubles]

Correction on map sensors. You will need them if you go with a bigger turbo. If you stay on the stock turbo no need for sensor replacement. However, DP is required for stage 2 tune. And yes they retain the stock file.