[DDD31]

Originally Posted by lsturbointeg

so this turned into the F10 bashing thread! just sell your car and buy something you like and move on with your life

Haha, who's bashing? I love my 550i.

After having two models of each series, I don't see myself ever going back to the 3 series. I realize that the 3 series is geared towards a different demographic of buyer than the 5 series but there is such a large gap in quality of materials and fit and finish between the two. The interior of the 3 series to me always seemed like it was made to a price point which resulted in some questionable quality of materials where in a 5 series, especially the F10, I don't get that feeling.

Hopefully in the next model 3 series BMW steps up their game in the interior department since both the Audi A4 and Mercedes C-class in my opinion are way ahead.

[phefner]

Owned both...no comparison...and you can try to pry my MY2016 550 xDrive M from my cold dead hands.

In all honesty...it's just a great machine for me. Like anything, your experience may be different.

[AmooManiak]

Originally Posted by mko9

The only things my F10 535i does better than my E46 330i is trunk space and hold three car seats across the back. Otherwise, it is a massive disappointment in almost every way.

Maybe there's a huge difference between the i and Ci, but I wouldn't even dare to compare my previous 330Ci (ZHP) to the F10. Totally different animals. Maybe it's the lack of power in your 535i?

It's funny how we all have different opinions about the same cars.

[lsturbointeg]

Originally Posted by DDD31

Haha, who's bashing? I love my 550i.

lol not you brother! love my 535i

[mko9]

Originally Posted by mko9

The only things my F10 535i does better than my E46 330i is trunk space and hold three car seats across the back. Otherwise, it is a massive disappointment in almost every way.

Originally Posted by Bbb34

I guess that depends on what your expectations were when you bought it. Expecting it to be anything like your old 3 series is completely unrealistic in my opinion. Also, I guess you must feel the same way about current F30 then, since it has significantly different feel than older 3 series ? I'm always amazed how many people will say things like "my 2 series is so much more nimble than new 7".... uhm.... d'oh, no s....

Harsh view of F10 in my opinion, but everyone entitled to their own opinion

Mostly I was increadibly disappointed in the ride quality. Compared to a ZHP, the F10 is appalling. But the other half of it was my expectation was that a car that is 8yrs and 2 generations newer would be better. But like I said, the F0 doesn't really do anything better than an E46.

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

Maybe there's a huge difference between the i and Ci, but I wouldn't even dare to compare my previous 330Ci (ZHP) to the F10. Totally different animals. Maybe it's the lack of power in your 535i?

It's funny how we all have different opinions about the same cars.

Actually, according to R&T or C&D (can't remember which) when you look at the reviews of the 330i ZHP and the '11 535i, I think the 1/4mi times are within .1 sec and .1mph. They just get there very differently. And obviously on a road course, auto-x, or canyon carving the F10 would get left in the dust.

[mpbmw94]

Originally Posted by lsturbointeg

so this turned into the F10 bashing thread! just sell your car and buy something you like and move on with your life

Exactly!!!

[krautmeister]

Originally Posted by 6IX-F10-N52

I know man, I got stockie 17 inch 225/55 grandpa rims on my 2011 528 and it is nice on the highway, but its just so soft and boring when cornering. I test drove a 535i with massive 20 inch rims and extremely low profile tires and it made a huge difference.. It even rode nicer. more planted like you said. I found the ride to be perfectly fine, although I didnt go over any rough sections of pavement. when cornerning, it felt 10x better, more planted.

what do you think of 19 inch with 45 sidewall tires? I want the sidewall to be a little soft for toronto roads.

thanks!

Don't know about 45series tires, but if you got 19s, it would change up the feel of the car for what you're looking for.

It may not physically do the same time and speed through a slalom like a 3 series but I'll bet you couldn't push the car on the streets to discernibly matter between the two. It will make it "feel" nimble, which for me for a large sedan, perception is reality and it gives me what I'm looking for.

As for going higher sidewall for potholes and such... sports oriented cars and pot holes will always be enemies... be judicious in avoiding them.

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by lsturbointeg

so this turned into the F10 bashing thread! just sell your car and buy something you like and move on with your life

never, f10 resale value took a major hit. its the last of the NA's and the only naturally aspirated f10 and I adore her except for the heavy boat like behaviour. as much as I love the e90, BMW open diffs are garbage and even the e90 is still a bit too heavy to be considered an all out sports car. wind out the engine once and you know shes going to last a very long time. pulls hard, no leaks, doesnt burn a drop of oil, never had any problems at 73,000 miles. nothing. I've been told to hold onto it and given the horrific resale values I dont have much of a choice even if I want to sell it.

alot of the floatiness can be attributed to the soft 55 sidewall 17 inch rims which I am excited to get rid of.

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by krautmeister

Don't know about 45series tires, but if you got 19s, it would change up the feel of the car for what you're looking for.

It may not physically do the same time and speed through a slalom like a 3 series but I'll bet you couldn't push the car on the streets to discernibly matter between the two. It will make it "feel" nimble, which for me for a large sedan, perception is reality and it gives me what I'm looking for.

As for going higher sidewall for potholes and such... sports oriented cars and pot holes will always be enemies... be judicious in avoiding them.

nimble.. I dont know. depends on your definition of nimble. definitely good for a 3900 pound sedan, good enough for me not to get rid of it for pennies.

I cant wait to get 19's, Ill be happy. the highway manners on this thing are gorgeous.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by 6IX-F10-N52

nimble.. I dont know. depends on your definition of nimble. definitely good for a 3900 pound sedan...

I asked this to someone else long time ago since I test drove all the competitors before settling on F10. What do you consider to be better handling car in the same size and price range?

Of course it's not as nimble as 3 series, I would hope that wasn't your criteria when you decided to buy. I mean, to expect nimble from full size 4000ish lbs. sedan is just plain silly. Even F30 in my opinion is not nearly as nimble as E90 felt, why would you expect F10 to be?

Originally Posted by 6IX-F10-N52

never, f10 resale value took a major hit. its the last of the NA's and the only naturally aspirated f10 and I adore her except for the heavy boat like behaviour. ......alot of the floatiness can be attributed to the soft 55 sidewall 17 inch rims which I am excited to get rid of.

Another thing I said countless times, proper suspension and packages choice when building your car go a long way in improving handling of F10.
Base suspension is a bit on a softer side (moving to larger rims and thinner sidewall will slightly improve, but not completely take away that), but still comparable or better than competition in the same class.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by mko9

Mostly I was increadibly disappointed in the ride quality. Compared to a ZHP, the F10 is appalling. But the other half of it was my expectation was that a car that is 8yrs and 2 generations newer would be better. But like I said, the F0 doesn't really do anything better than an E46.

We disagree, which is fine.

I should also mention that I absolutely loved every second I spend behind the wheel of E90 330i M sport with manual transmission. Just a fantastic fun to drive, if a bit on a firm side for daily driving or very long trips. Great steering feel, great handling car and for me, more exiting, more involving to drive than current F30.

However F10 properly equipped, and for me personally, that's RWD with either DHP or M sport suspension (ideally also manual) is way superior, simply better balanced and classy/grown up car. It does everything well and with no drama until you hit obscene speeds. Those who are looking for firm/nimble and leaving others "in the dust" as their only criteria in my opinion, should not look past 2 series in today's BMW lineup.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by 6IX-F10-N52

I cant wait to get 19's, Ill be happy. the highway manners on this thing are gorgeous.

19" and standard suspension, still a big compromise. I tested several F10/11 examples on different setups. 19" may be fine on decent hardtop, but as road condition deteriorates the quality of the drive falls apart much quicker than say an 18" wheel. Even with Adaptive Drive, 18" are the sweet spot, in my experience.

I run 18" summer wheels with Adaptive Drive, superb ride/handling balance. 17" for winter wheels (deliberately chosen for colder running in winter) again no real issues. Both wheel sets fitted with run-flats. I'd only consider 19", if road quality was really good for most of my driving.

I sense 19" wheels (weight and lower profile) are over working the standard suspension, (too soft) translate to a jittery ride on the poorer surfaces, and crashes much more over damaged hardtop.

[AmooManiak]

I just can't believe that some of these comparisons are even coming up. Is the E90 nimbler? Of course. Other than that, the F10 is much much better in every other way! If I wanted just a nimble car, I'd probably get an S2000.

The space, the fit and finish, the straight line performance are classes above the E90. Hell, I even rather sit in my E39 than my friends E90! To me E60/E90 is the dark side of BMWs history (I should mention I had an E60). Personally I'd rather buy an E39/E46 over an E90/E92 and E60 for that matter. Especially after owning an E60 and going back to an E39.

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

I just can't believe that some of these comparisons are even coming up. Is the E90 nimbler? Of course. Other than that, the F10 is much much better in every other way! If I wanted just a nimble car, I'd probably get an S2000.

The space, the fit and finish, the straight line performance are classes above the E90. Hell, I even rather sit in my E39 than my friends E90! To me E60/E90 is the dark side of BMWs history (I should mention I had an E60). Personally I'd rather buy an E39/E46 over an E90/E92 and E60 for that matter. Especially after owning an E60 and going back to an E39.

I think the dark side of bmw is the F platform.. lol

mainly f30. I do like the F10 despite what i say

[bavarianlover]

I recently bought a f10 535d m, i drove (still have it, but its going for sales soon) my 330d e90 -06, with navi, sport leader seats etc etc. The e90 is a very good car, have nothing bad to say about that car, but the f10 with m pack, comfort seats, navi, hifi sound, damn.. Dont compare those 2, its not the same class.

[thebmwjunkiee]

I went from e90 to f30 to f10, and you won't catch me in another 3 series if I can help it. Although my concerns are much more superficial, as I am 6 foot 6 and had no business in a 3 series to begin with.

Are they a bit more nimble and quick off the line, of course. But that's about the only thing that comes to mind after owning 3 series' for 6 years. Now I just need to work my way up to the new m550

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by bavarianlover

I recently bought a f10 535d m, i drove (still have it, but its going for sales soon) my 330d e90 -06, with navi, sport leader seats etc etc. The e90 is a very good car, have nothing bad to say about that car, but the f10 with m pack, comfort seats, navi, hifi sound, damn.. Dont compare those 2, its not the same class.

Originally Posted by thebmwjunkiee

I went from e90 to f30 to f10, and you won't catch me in another 3 series if I can help it. Although my concerns are much more superficial, as I am 6 foot 6 and had no business in a 3 series to begin with.

Are they a bit more nimble and quick off the line, of course. But that's about the only thing that comes to mind after owning 3 series' for 6 years. Now I just need to work my way up to the new m550

honestly, I love the f10, but my main gripe is the weight. if it was closer to 3700 pounds that would be perfect.

the F10 without Xdrive is amazing. the car feels so much lighter and more nimble then it really is around sweepers and the long wheelbase makes it so much fun and easy control when oversteering. theres really not much of a difference between the two around sweepers and higher speed corners. but tight, low speed corners the f10 is a BOAT. thats honestly my only gripe with it though.

[Bmw doubles]

Though the F30 435 and 335 has more room for bigger guys. I'm 6',4" and fit in my e90 no problem,so the new F30 gotta be even better in terms of roominess

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

Though the F30 435 and 335 has more room for bigger guys. I'm 6',4" and fit in my e90 no problem,so the new F30 gotta be even better in terms of roominess

yea, i'm 6'3 and never had any problems fitting into a BMW as long as I am not sitting in the back..

the f10, for being such a massive car really, really dissapoints me with rear seat leg room. even a short person will not fit behind me since my seat is so far back.. the f10 has massive amounts of trunk space but they honestly should have used some of it to make the rear seats at least inhabitable.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by STR8-6IX

...but tight, low speed corners the f10 is a BOAT. thats honestly my only gripe with it though.

Have you tried one with sport suspension or DHP ? It's significant improvement over stock suspension. Of course it's still no 2 series, but it's quite capable handling large sedan.

Originally Posted by STR8-6IX

yea, i'm 6'3 and never had any problems fitting into a BMW as long as I am not sitting in the back..

the f10, for being such a massive car really, really dissapoints me with rear seat leg room. even a short person will not fit behind me since my seat is so far back.. the f10 has massive amounts of trunk space but they honestly should have used some of it to make the rear seats at least inhabitable.

Again, it's all relative, what are you comparing to so that you're disappointed?

Mercedes E class has less rear legroom (and headroom front and back) and Audi A6 is pretty much identical (slightly less headroom in the front). None of Volvos (wagons included) have more legroom in the back either. The only other sedan I can think that has more rear legroom is current iteration of VW Passat, but it's a huge step down from F10 in every other department. I'm curious what in same class do you find has more space ?

I'm 6'7", wife's 5'9" with two fairly tall kids for their age. Have no issue traveling comfortably in F10 or hauling skis (with pass-through) and kid's sports gear, or my mountain bike in the trunk with rear seats down.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

Though the F30 435 and 335 has more room for bigger guys. I'm 6',4" and fit in my e90 no problem,so the new F30 gotta be even better in terms of roominess

I had no issues with E90 but didn't exactly feel comfortable for someone my size (and rear seat room was super tight behind me). F30 is fairly comparable to F10, the biggest difference being shoulder room (significant) and trunk space. Front seats are less bulky in F30 (and in my opinion less comfortable), design that results in a bit of space saving. But the rear benches are also a less deep than in F10, which looks and likely measures misleading.

[dreamingat30fps]

The F10 is a luxury sedan, it's not a sports car. As a luxury sedan I think it's great, as a sports car it sucks, but I didn't buy it because I wanted a sports car... I wanted a luxury sedan that has a nice interior, nice features a good ride for long trips and power. That's pretty much what I got with the F10.

You want sporty get a sporty car like an M3 M2 or Z4M.