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      03-31-2010, 06:43 AM   #1
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Autocar slags F10 ride without VDC

According to Autocar, the ride on 18" RFT's is poor without VDC and UK cars are waiting on a fix?

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http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...W-530d/248585/
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I am thinking of adding VDC to my order but not sure.

Has anyone got any experiance of a car with VDC?
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      03-31-2010, 08:15 AM   #3
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I am thinking of adding VDC to my order but not sure.

Has anyone got any experiance of a car with VDC?
I'm going to wait for M-Sport hopefully by then the "fix" for the suspension will be sorted.
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I am thinking of adding VDC to my order but not sure.

Has anyone got any experiance of a car with VDC?
Oh forgot to say all the early lauch test drives cars had Adaptive Drive and VDC, 18" RFT's and said ride was very good.
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I also remember reading a review saying the ride with 18's and VDC is good but i cant find that road test now.

As far as im aware, VDC is not standard on any model. Its a optional extra costing around £900 for all models.

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I'm going to wait for M-Sport hopefully by then the "fix" for the suspension will be sorted.
What fix will this be? The ride on the M Sport will be firmer than the SE as it will different dampers, springs and bushes like the E60.

P.S. here are some renderings of the M5, if the M Sport looks half as good as this, it will be awesome

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      03-31-2010, 09:07 AM   #6
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I also remember reading a review saying the ride with 18's and VDC is good but i cant find that road test now.

As far as im aware, VDC is not standard on any model. Its a optional extra costing around £900 for all models.



What fix will this be? The ride on the M Sport will be firmer than the SE as it will different dampers, springs and bushes like the E60.

P.S. here are some renderings of the M5, if the M Sport looks half as good as this, it will be awesome
Yeah, its all a bit confusing...

Seems I cannot have VDC without Adaptive Drive on a 535i SE urgh.

I'm not to upset about firm ride of RFTs but I'm very concerned about the rolly-polly turn in Autocar talk of below. I'm going wait for M-Sport but I rather wanted a 535i M-Sport with VDC and no Adaptive Drive nonsence. Will have to wait for M-Sport specs.

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First, we’d avoid choosing anything larger than the 18-inch wheels of our test car. Smaller wheels are standard and, if you can bear their appearance, will be better still at providing a truly isolated ride. As it is, the 18-inchers mated to the standard (passive and non-adjustable) suspension of our test car let sharper road imperfections affect the cabin in a way that a Mercedes E-class on 17s does not.

Adaptive dampers are optional on all models. With them fitted, small ripples are far better dealt with. Brake, turn (even modestly) and introduce a broken surface into the equation and this test 5-series fails to prevent noisy thumps with the same aplomb as an adaptively suspended car (even on 19in wheels) or an E-class. We understand a revision is planned.

BMW claims that the 5-series is the most overtly sporting car in this class, and while it does hold an agility advantage over the E-class, it lacks the centre-pivoted, fleet-footed feel of the Jaguar XF.

In this SE spec and without the active chassis, it also rolls more and has looser body control – surprisingly so for anyone coming from the old model. The BMW’s electrically assisted power steering is fine in its own regard (avoid the artificial-feeling Active Steer), but lacks the XF’s fluidity.
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      03-31-2010, 09:17 AM   #7
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Are motoring journalists this stupid or they just do that to piss me off?

People seem to forget that the "normal" BMW models are designed for luxurious motoring just like a Mercedes-Benz, Lexus or indeed a Jaguar. So why the hell someone takes a 530d SE for a drive expecting it to be a sports saloon?

For fuck's sake...
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Same here, ill sacrifice body roll and handling for luxury and a good ride.
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Go drive the new 5 series with 20" rubber and without Adaptive Drive, the ride is not good, not good at all. It's a must have option in my opinion, especially if you venture from the stock 18" rims.

I will say that when equipped with AD and 20" the 535d actually rides better than my XF on 20", which I reckon is high praise indeed.
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I think Autocar is consistently anti-BMW.
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Are motoring journalists this stupid or they just do that to piss me off?

People seem to forget that the "normal" BMW models are designed for luxurious motoring just like a Mercedes-Benz, Lexus or indeed a Jaguar. So why the hell someone takes a 530d SE for a drive expecting it to be a sports saloon?

For fuck's sake...

This is why they are journalists, could not get a real job as they lack any scientific judgment. Just sensationalise and make things up to sell magazines.
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I think Autocar is consistently anti-BMW.
Yes in recent years they have switched from being what I would have classed as pro-BMW to quite the opposite now. Maybe BMW aren't putting the same amount of advertising in their rags as they use to. Not that such things should ever affect a journalists outcome.

Perfect example of bias reporting (IMO) is the recent Autobild test of the new 5 series, the E-class, A6, XF and C6. How in hell did they place the XF last when almost all recent reviews have had it either 1st or there abouts. But then again it's a German magazine and the top three cars were all German.
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Found a Autocar article who say VDC is definate worth getting, active steering is not and dynamic drive depends on your preference.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx

I am going to buy the magazine later which goes into more detail.
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Found a Autocar article who say VDC is definate worth getting, active steering is not and dynamic drive depends on your preference.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx

I am going to buy the magazine later which goes into more detail.
Do not waste your money as it on the website at the links above.
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Yes, but in magazine there is also a road test WITHOUT active steering, VDC and dynamic drive and i would like to see what they think of it.

The road test on there site is a 530d with all these extras.
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Yes, but in magazine there is also a road test WITHOUT active steering, VDC and dynamic drive and i would like to see what they think of it.

The road test on there site is a 530d with all these extras.
Yes its the link at the top of this thread, make sure you hit each tab to read all. Its the exact same copy I have in the magzine in front of me
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The ride on my 2007 335i Cabrio (18" wheels w/Sport Package) with the run-flats was a nightmare. The dealer switched them out to the other brand of BMW-approved RFTs was no better, so I traded the car in. Easy-going passengers were commenting on how uncomfortable the ride was and I had to get rid of it. My 2007 X5 4.8i Sport w/RFTs was marginal, but I got it at 15K when it was needing new tires, so I switched those tires out for standard rubber and it was MUCH better. It's very comfortable on rough surfaces, even with them being 20" wheels. I'm passing on the VDC on my 2011 535i order and getting some 19" OEM wheels and putting non-RFT tires on them.
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Jamie's (Autocar) comments are spot on.
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I tested a F10 530d with all the electronic damping stuff + active steering + 331 19 "alloys. Nice smooth ride and in sport it still feels like a Citroen C6 compared to my E90 M3 also equipped with EDC in soft mode

I love and I 'm used to a firm ride(with a 120d/330i/335i equipped with M Technik and 17"/18"RFT's) for the past 5 years or so, hence M3 is a bumpy car....

I know a 5 series is more about comfort than sports, but I opted for the somewhat firmer and 1 cm lowered (code 704) OEM M Technik suspension + 19" 331s and my dealer told me today M Technik is not compatible with the electronic damping stuff so I stick with M Technik.

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TO Laguna Dallas. I'm absolutely baffled that you thought the ride was to harsh and you traded in your car because of that. I have absolutely NO regrets about my 335 sport w/ 18 RFT's. It's not harsh...it's a freeking sports car. You should know driving what you have in your garage. BUT...this just proves again to me that you can't just go on what others say. It is IMPERATIVE to test drive these cars prior to making such a commitment. I don't think your wrong Lagunadallas...just that we differ on what we find to be a harsh vs comfortable ride. Crazy. enjoy your toys!!!!
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Are motoring journalists this stupid or they just do that to piss me off?

People seem to forget that the "normal" BMW models are designed for luxurious motoring just like a Mercedes-Benz, Lexus or indeed a Jaguar. So why the hell someone takes a 530d SE for a drive expecting it to be a sports saloon?

For fuck's sake...
I think you miss the point; if you read the F10 brochure, on page 6 you will note the following: 'the new BMW 5 Series saloon portrays a dynamic and sporting, yet classic and stylish presence'.
BMW's are identified as sporting saloons, it is and always has been the company's ethos - long may it remain so.
I have driven the 530d on 17" rims with stock suspension and the Jaguar 3.0DS on 20" rims which are included in the 'Portfolio' package and having spent about 3 hours in each car, I wholeheartedly agree with the Autocar report.
Compared to my E92 330d M Sport, the 5 and the XF both exhibit significantly more roll through corners and pitch over bumps. Naturally, this is to be expected but, albeit grudgingly, I have to admit that the XF is a more engaging drive, particularly with regard to steering feedback. However, I think BMW will redress the balance with larger wheels, VDC and active hydraulic roll bars. What the Jaguar has is fancy blue instrument lighting, lots of aluminium and tacky plastic chrome which will always attract the adherents of bling, whereas the BMW retains its understated elegance in quality materials. However, these are all matters of taste and therein there is no argument. Dynamically the differences are minimal and they are both very accomplished SPORTING saloons - if you want luxurious motoring buy a Lexus or a canal barge with wheels.
As to the mental acuity of motoring journalists - you're correct in assuming that they're in a collective conspiracy to piss you off and, from your comments, it would appear that they have achieved their objective with consummate ease - just because you're paranoid, there's no reason to think that everyone's not out to get you!
And, just to preclude any presumption - I am not a journalist; just a keen driver and, having owned 40+ cars, I think I can speak from an informed standpoint.
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