[MrPogle]

I've just discovered that the autohold function keeps the brake lights on. I was hoping it acted like a handbrake rather than a footbrake. Does anyone know if this could be changed via coding?

[Piers]

I find that annoying!

[The Beast]

Why, it's a safety feature imo... if you stop in traffic and a car is coming up behind you it shows that you are stationary and provides extra visibility to approaching drivers. In an auto without it you would have your foot on the brake unless you put it in park every time you stop. Also in manual cars most people use the brake rather than the handbrake so i don't see what is abnormal about it

[MrPogle]

What I do is

Stop at the lights
Keep my foot on the brake to show I'm stopped.
Once a car pulls up behind me, switch off the brake-lights so that the car behind doesn't have to stare a them.

The handbrake on my previous car did that OK, I was hoping that Autohold would do the same but it doesn't.

[bobster635d]

Originally Posted by MrPogle

What I do is

Stop at the lights
Keep my foot on the brake to show I'm stopped.
Once a car pulls up behind me, switch off the brake-lights so that the car behind doesn't have to stare a them.

The handbrake on my previous car did that OK, I was hoping that Autohold would do the same but it doesn't.

Personally - I'd rather have that extra visual warning at the back of my car if I was sitting at the lights and someone raced up behind me. I'd rather keep my rear end intact so to speak! lol!

It really doesn't bother me one bit about staring at the car in front's brake lights... at least I know when they do go off they're ready to move.

[Markee]

I use this all the time.

I'd much rather have the added security of my brake lights on when stationary than be concerned about them shining in the drivers eyes behind...

[remmib]

Originally Posted by MrPogle

What I do is

Stop at the lights
Keep my foot on the brake to show I'm stopped.
Once a car pulls up behind me, switch off the brake-lights so that the car behind doesn't have to stare a them.

The handbrake on my previous car did that OK, I was hoping that Autohold would do the same but it doesn't.

Why not use the handbrake then, like in your previous car, instead of autohold?

[MrPogle]

Originally Posted by Markee

I'd much rather have the added security of my brake lights on when stationary than be concerned about them shining in the drivers eyes behind...

It depends what you regard as safe. Why would you want to ruin the night-vision of someone you are relying on not to run into the back of you at the next set of lights?

[MrPogle]

Originally Posted by remmib

Why not use the handbrake then, like in your previous car, instead of autohold?

I will, it's just that I'm not familiar with the switch-handbrake thing and, as I had to do things differently this time, I thought the autohold was the answer. It's more convenient than the handbrake so if I could bin the lights it would be perfect. .

[remmib]

Originally Posted by MrPogle

I will, it's just that I'm not familiar with the switch-handbrake thing and, as I had to do things differently this time, I thought the autohold was the answer. It's more convenient than the handbrake so if I could bin the lights it would be perfect. .

The handbrake switch really work just like an old fashion handbrake, pull up to engage and push down to release.

[mragarg]

Out of curiosity. What is the main purpose of auto hold? Is it for any way of driving or for going up/down a hill?

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by mragarg

Out of curiosity. What is the main purpose of auto hold? Is it for any way of driving or for going up/down a hill?

Auto-hold is a very useful feature, works on slight inclines and prevents roll back (or forward) for as long as you want, no intervention required.

[MrPogle]

Originally Posted by remmib

The handbrake switch really work just like an old fashion handbrake, pull up to engage and push down to release.

In that way it does. However one is analogue and one is digital so they are not very similar at all.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by The Beast

Why, it's a safety feature imo... if you stop in traffic and a car is coming up behind you it shows that you are stationary and provides extra visibility to approaching drivers. In an auto without it you would have your foot on the brake unless you put it in park every time you stop. Also in manual cars most people use the brake rather than the handbrake so i don't see what is abnormal about it

I have mixed thoughts on using auto-hold. Similar to your comments, plus there is that conscious use of a safety feature. I know one particular situation when I often use auto-hold, where the brake lights are a key part of the stopped function. If I never had auto-hold I'd be ensuring the brakes are illuminated, to give me a chance of not being impacted from behind. Plus my intentions are clear to other users behind me.

It's a difficult shout to whether auto-hold is better without the brake lights, but I have to side with the safety feature, ahead of not having brake lights when temporarily stopped. I understand the concerns on lights blinding other users, so will use the parking brake if I'm in a situation where the priority for safety is not the issue, or I'm stopped for a longer period.

So we really need auto-hold with a 'manual' brake light switch.

[The Beast]

I think this whole blinding argument is being overplayed. I don't find brake lights blind me, we drive behind cars all day long with brake lights coming on and off! Are you guys sitting in traffic basically staring right at the brake lights of the car in front? Anyone heard of peripheral vision...

[MrPogle]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

So we really need auto-hold with a 'manual' brake light switch.

Exactly. I'm quite happy to make the decision on whether it's better to have the brake-lights on or not. I already have the manual brake light switch so now I just need to stop auto hold putting the brake lights on.

I'll ask on one of the coding forums, I think.

[un1eash]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Auto-hold is a very useful feature, works on slight inclines and prevents roll back (or forward) for as long as you want, no intervention required.

On my old z4 it would only prevent rolling back and lasted a couple seconds. Is the F10 different?

[The Beast]

Originally Posted by un1eash

On my old z4 it would only prevent rolling back and lasted a couple seconds. Is the F10 different?

That's hill hold and only really useful on a manual. Auto hold applies the brakes whenever you come to a standstill and releases them when you apply throttle, useful in autos as they creep forward if you don't keep your foot on the brake.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by un1eash

On my old z4 it would only prevent rolling back and lasted a couple seconds. Is the F10 different?

We still have the hill hold feature in the F10, without using auto-hold. As has been stated (by Beast) auto-hold stays engaged (no time out) until you apply the throttle to move off. Works in reverse gear as well.

If you are using auto-hold and put the transmission in Park, the parking brake automatically engages.

[un1eash]

Is it an auto thing as I take delivery of a F11 520d M Sport Manual on the 4th March.

[Markee]

Originally Posted by MrPogle

It depends what you regard as safe. Why would you want to ruin the night-vision of someone you are relying on not to run into the back of you at the next set of lights?

Fair point, but hardly a robust defence in court?

[dippo]

Originally Posted by un1eash

Is it an auto thing as I take delivery of a F11 520d M Sport Manual on the 4th March.

Auto hold has a switch - default is off.