[DitrasetMan]

Good afternoon everyone. Would someone please confirm with me the technology changes that will be implemented in the 2013 F10? First off, according to the official 2013 5 Series pricing guide (got a printed copy from my dealer), the Technology Package for 2013 includes (for $2,800): (609) Navigation, (610) Head-up Display, (615) Online Information Services, (6NF) Smartphone Integration, (6NR) BMW Apps, (6UH) Real Time Traffic Information, and (6WA) Instrument cluster with extended contents.

I have read the various posts in this forum and the sites that explain the updates (http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=691429), however, I haven't seen real confirmation on some of these updates, nor do I understand the importance of them. Here are my questions:

1) How different will the navigation system be in the 2013 F10 over the 2012 F10?

2) How different will the iDrive be in the 2013 F10 over the 2012 F10? Is it even changing, or just the navigation?

3) Are the BMW Apps (and Smartphone integration) changing?

4) I have read all of the online materials on the revised "multifunction instrument display" (http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690544) that will be available on the 2013 F10 as an option. As you see above, the 2013 Technology Package now includes the "Instrument cluster with extended contents." Is this the same thing? If not, what is it? I do not see any other available options on the pricing guide that say "instrument."

[DitrasetMan]

Anyone?

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

Good afternoon everyone. Would someone please confirm with me the technology changes that will be implemented in the 2013 F10? First off, according to the official 2013 5 Series pricing guide (got a printed copy from my dealer), the Technology Package for 2013 includes (for $2,800): (609) Navigation, (610) Head-up Display, (615) Online Information Services, (6NF) Smartphone Integration, (6NR) BMW Apps, (6UH) Real Time Traffic Information, and (6WA) Instrument cluster with extended contents.

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4) I have read all of the online materials on the revised "multifunction instrument display" (http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690544) that will be available on the 2013 F10 as an option. As you see above, the 2013 Technology Package now includes the "Instrument cluster with extended contents." Is this the same thing? If not, what is it? I do not see any other available options on the pricing guide that say "instrument."

6WA is the standard cluster with the extended contents underneath the speed and tachymeter arches.
The new MFID is 6WB and comes at an extra 300 euros in Germany.

[DitrasetMan]

Interesting - so if it is the standard instrument display, how does one get the new TFT screen instrument display mentioned in the sites? I don't see an option for it on BMWconfig.com

[clarence]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

Interesting - so if it is the standard instrument display, how does one get the new TFT screen instrument display mentioned in the sites? I don't see an option for it on BMWconfig.com

6WA is the full black panel (i.e. same as the standard cluster fitted to the F01 & GT), comes free with either HUD or nav. 6WB is the new MID, comes at a reduced price if specced with HUD or nav.
This is for EU/ROW markets, maybe it's not yet homologated for the US market for now.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

1) How different will the navigation system be in the 2013 F10 over the 2012 F10?

2) How different will the iDrive be in the 2013 F10 over the 2012 F10? Is it even changing, or just the navigation?

The navigation is significantly faster, with some different animations. You can see some of the differences for the 2013 model year nav/iDrive ("Navigation Professional")

Here's a look at some of the new functions:

Screenshots: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=691510
Video: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/05/bmw-idrive-4x/

[DitrasetMan]

Jason,

I know we are all talking about this on http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...1#post12121626

but I wish there was some way to see if the 6WA for a 2013 F10 in the U.S. market is the equivalent as the 6WB (new MFID) in the European markets. Perhaps the new MFID won't be available for another year in the U.S.....

As I said in the other post:

I am hesitant to be so certain that the 6WA in the Tech Package for the 2013 F10 is not the new MFID, and I will tell you why - If you try to build a new 5 series on the BMW UK website, you can add as an option, for 115 British pounds, the "Black Panel Display," which is described as a:

"Full Black panel technology, as described on the left, but additionally with a high-resolution 9.2" Info Display below. This shows such information as current fuel consumption, range, on-board computer functions and trip and mileage counter in parallel with navigation prompts. The display features Black Panel technology, when the ignition is off, it appears as a flat, Matt Black surface. The only three-dimensional elements are the Chrome rings, open at the bottom, that encircle the display’s dials. As soon as the vehicle is opened, the Chrome rings turn into full circles, and the dials and displays appear. (Only in conjunction with Headup Display)."

And here is the kicker - guess what the BMW code is for the UK "Black Panel Display"? "6WA". Are we surrrreeee this is not the same 6WA in the U.S. Technology Package?

Thoughts?

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

I am hesitant to be so certain that the 6WA in the Tech Package for the 2013 F10 is not the new MFID, and I will tell you why - If you try to build a new 5 series on the BMW UK website, you can add as an option, for 115 British pounds, the "Black Panel Display," which is described as a:

"Full Black panel technology, as described on the left, but additionally with a high-resolution 9.2" Info Display below. This shows such information as current fuel consumption, range, on-board computer functions and trip and mileage counter in parallel with navigation prompts. The display features Black Panel technology, when the ignition is off, it appears as a flat, Matt Black surface. The only three-dimensional elements are the Chrome rings, open at the bottom, that encircle the display’s dials. As soon as the vehicle is opened, the Chrome rings turn into full circles, and the dials and displays appear. (Only in conjunction with Headup Display)."

And here is the kicker - guess what the BMW code is for the UK "Black Panel Display"? "6WA". Are we surrrreeee this is not the same 6WA in the U.S. Technology Package?

Thoughts?

That is really the 6WA instrument cluster with extended contents, not the 6WB multifunction display. 6WB has the chrome rings openings to the inside, not to the bottom, and have more features than the ones you have listed, namely the different dials according to different driving settings.

[clarence]

6WA is full black panel, 6WB is MFID.

[DitrasetMan]

But, isn't the "Full Black Panel" (6WA on BMW UK) the new MFID? The instrument in the 2012 F10 does not fit that UK description of the 6WA. Are you guys sure?

Also, everyone in (http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...1#post12137443) is confusing me about whether the new Navi/IDrive will in fact be on the 2013 July F10 production.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

But, isn't the "Full Black Panel" (6WA on BMW UK) the new MFID? The instrument in the 2012 F10 does not fit that UK description of the 6WA. Are you guys sure?

No, 6WA is not the new MFID. MFID is 6WB. 100% sure.
Initially at launch, the F10 has only 1 type of instrument cluster, that is the standard one u're seing now (i.e. no display under speedo). I think from 03/11 production onwards 6WA became available & it comes free with HUD or nav (also available as standalone option in some markets). 6WA is essentially the same cluster u're seeing in the F01/02, with an additional display under the speedo. 6WA is also called "full black panel" in some markets.
For MY2013 comes 6WB, which is the new MFID. Notice it has never been called "full black panel" by anyone.
So, 3 types of cluster for MY2013: standard, 6WA & 6WB.

[clarence]

Ok, just to make things clear.

Standard cluster


6WA


6WB

[DitrasetMan]

Interesting - what is the difference beteen the "standard cluster" and the 6WA?

[Alan l.]

Standard looks like any other cluster from previous bmw's with a small lcd box in the middle. It does not black out when the car is off

6WA black out completely when the car is off so it looks just like a black screen. The entire lower half of the cluster is like LCD showing you different contents that isn't available on the standard one. The lcd starts where the rings are cut off.

[DitrasetMan]

Oh, I see. Do they even make a 5 series with an instrument cluster that doesn't have the LCD on the bottom half? I've never seen one at a dealership.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

Oh, I see. Do they even make a 5 series with an instrument cluster that doesn't have the LCD on the bottom half? I've never seen one at a dealership.

Standard cluster: lcd on bottom half of rev counter only
6WA: lcd on bottom half of both speedo & rev counter

[DitrasetMan]

Originally Posted by clarence

Standard cluster: lcd on bottom half of rev counter only
6WA: lcd on bottom half of both speedo & rev counter

Which packages for F10's come with the standard cluster and which come with the 6WA?

Anyone have any other updates on the inclusion of the new advanced MFID in the 2013 builds that will begin in July?

[clarence]

Originally Posted by DitrasetMan

Which packages for F10's come with the standard cluster and which come with the 6WA?

Anyone have any other updates on the inclusion of the new advanced MFID in the 2013 builds that will begin in July?

I think for US market 6WA only comes with HUD, but for MY13 it will come included in tech package as it includes HUD.
MFID will not come to US on 7/12 builds.

[Alan l.]

MFID will not be available in North America for July builds. This is pretty much confirmed at this point. 6WA is 6WA is not 6WB MFID.

Dealers are already putting in 2013 July build orders now so if it were to be available it would be on the ordering guides by now. The ordering guide that Jason posted on this forum was exactly the same thing my dealer printed out from their system.

The new Navigation will be available on all 2013 F10s for North America including the M5 which is built on the same assembly line.

When we will get the 6WB option in NA is anyone's guess but its def. not July builds.

Alan

[JKing3]

Does anyone have an update for 6wb mfid in the USA?

Thanks

Jesse

[bmwombat]

Originally Posted by clarence

Ok, just to make things clear.

Standard cluster


6WA


6WB

Yep. Absolutely correct. Option 6WB is available here in OZ for 5ers as of 1 Nov. & the nomenclature in the pix above is what is used here as well.

[hasan68]

I have 6WA, all the information is blacked out when the car is off, but still visible the four open rings and the hands, these are physical parts on the cluster.