BMW 3L engine cold start vibrate

t_dawg1 · 11-25-2016, 02:34 AM

New to BMW got an F10 525d,since this cold spell up here in Scotland I find she vibrates quite heavily for about 5-10secs after starting before she settles to a smooth idle. Is this normal? She's still under warranty as well so would book it in if this ain't normal. Temp had been -4.5 though each time this happened

vorph · 11-25-2016, 04:11 AM

Glow plug relay or just plugs to replace.

JOHNBMWM5 · 11-25-2016, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by vorph

Glow plug relay or just plugs to replace.

^ this.

t_dawg1 · 11-25-2016, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by vorph

Glow plug relay or just plugs to replace.

Are you suggesting it neither one of these done? I don't seem to see a glow plug pre heat icon on start up as on did in my last Mercedes cdi

JOHNBMWM5 · 11-26-2016, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by t_dawg1

Are you suggesting it neither one of these done? I don't seem to see a glow plug pre heat icon on start up as on did in my last Mercedes cdi

Get it checked it's one or both.

Jon D · 12-01-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by t_dawg1

I don't seem to see a glow plug pre heat icon on start up

That's normal but you should do as JOHN (above) suggests and get it checked out.

kinhwear · 12-01-2016, 07:20 AM

Saw the glow plug icon for the first time today!!

t_dawg1 · 12-06-2016, 01:49 PM

UPDATE-So went to dealership who found nothing wrong with glow plugs etc but this morning for the first time with outside temp at -1.5* I pressed the start button followed by a brief moment of silence to which the Glow Plug light lit up for a few secs before she fired up and no vibration of engine at all. Perhaps it's fixed itself since the last cold spell as I def experienced some rough vibration on startup. Been using Millers Diesel addiditive for the last few weeks of that makes any difference?

bigshout · 01-02-2017, 01:58 PM

It's defiantly the glow plug starter, I had to replace mine when I had a 535d. the car doesn't always record a fault in the log which is annoying. It’s an hours work to get replaced plus the pat which from memory was about £150. The reason you are experiencing the issue now is due to the cold weather, the plugs need help to warm up, in the milder weather the plugs don’t need any assistance to warm up.

t_dawg1 · 01-03-2017, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigshout

It's defiantly the glow plug starter, I had to replace mine when I had a 535d. the car doesn't always record a fault in the log which is annoying. It’s an hours work to get replaced plus the pat which from memory was about £150. The reason you are experiencing the issue now is due to the cold weather, the plugs need help to warm up, in the milder weather the plugs don’t need any assistance to warm up.

How did you diagnose it as being the glow plug starter? My warranty runs out in Aug so I'd rather got it fixed before then if I can

gtthree · 01-04-2017, 04:26 PM

Have you tried interrogating the cars EUC via an OBD cable and esys to see if there are any logged faults .
This way you can view the any logged faults and ask your dealer to fix them under warranty.

As long as you do not clear the errors then once you have read the error code you can describe the fault and ask the dealer to check the ECU, knowing there is an error.

Fairly easy to tag onto a service, or some dealers offer a "free" end of warranty check. Beware they may however try and sell you tyres or brakes discs/pads.

The cables are approx £15 to £20 some come with the software on cd's, but you can download it fairly easily (Rheingold).

bigshout · 01-10-2017, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by t_dawg1

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Originally Posted by bigshout

It's defiantly the glow plug starter, I had to replace mine when I had a 535d. the car doesn't always record a fault in the log which is annoying. It’s an hours work to get replaced plus the pat which from memory was about £150. The reason you are experiencing the issue now is due to the cold weather, the plugs need help to warm up, in the milder weather the plugs don’t need any assistance to warm up.

How did you diagnose it as being the glow plug starter? My warranty runs out in Aug so I'd rather got it fixed before then if I can

My BMW mechanic told me it was going to the be the glow plug starter. No error were showing. Once replaced is fixed the issue straight away.

balfron100 · 01-10-2017, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gtthree

Have you tried interrogating the cars EUC via an OBD cable and esys to see if there are any logged faults .
This way you can view the any logged faults and ask your dealer to fix them under warranty.

As long as you do not clear the errors then once you have read the error code you can describe the fault and ask the dealer to check the ECU, knowing there is an error.

Fairly easy to tag onto a service, or some dealers offer a "free" end of warranty check. Beware they may however try and sell you tyres or brakes discs/pads.

The cables are approx £15 to £20 some come with the software on cd's, but you can download it fairly easily (Rheingold).

Were can I buy the obd cable and software disk ?"The cables are approx £15 to £20 some come with the software on cd's, but you can download it fairly easily (Rheingold)".

gtthree · 01-11-2017, 09:46 AM

search for bmw enet

on either
ebay
amazon
alibaba

Confirm it will work the F series.

I ordered the cable (and software) from ebay from China and it arrived within 10 days.

However I used software from the internet to ensure I had the latest version and also that it was virus free from a well known trusted coder. who has written a custom interface to allow you to connect to the car and run the diagnostic software (rheingold), you can also with other software code your car.
With the diagnostic software you can also reset faults and see faults before you take your car to the dealer.

Coder's website
http://tokenmaster.blogspot.co.uk

you will need to locate Rheingold separately but a quick google search should assist

The Beast · 02-08-2017, 03:45 AM

What did you do with your car in the end?

I have the same issue with my 530d. Slight vibration for 5-10 seconds on startup when it's slightly cold. However the other day when it was very cold I didn't get a glow plug light and the car didn't fire instantly. I had to hit the accelerator to get it to start...

Taking it to a BMW specialist to see if any errors have been logged in the OBC.

t_dawg1 · 02-08-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Beast

What did you do with your car in the end?

I have the same issue with my 530d. Slight vibration for 5-10 seconds on startup when it's slightly cold. However the other day when it was very cold I didn't get a glow plug light and the car didn't fire instantly. I had to hit the accelerator to get it to start...

Taking it to a BMW specialist to see if any errors have been logged in the OBC.

I went to dealership and no error was found. It hasn't done it since just a very slight vibrate for about 15-25 seconds when very cold (-2*) here in Stirling to which dealer said was normal on a 3L diesel

The Beast · 02-09-2017, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by t_dawg1

I went to dealership and no error was found. It hasn't done it since just a very slight vibrate for about 15-25 seconds when very cold (-2*) here in Stirling to which dealer said was normal on a 3L diesel

Got mine looked at by a local indi BMW specialist yesterday and as many here stated the coils and control module need replacing. Just hope one doesn't break whilst they are replacing them as this will make the job ridiculously expensive...

I'd keep an eye on yours as mine never vibrated before no matter how cold it was.

Indi is asking £495 to replace 6 coils and the control module, anyone know if this is reasonable?

bigshout · 02-13-2017, 02:30 PM

Your Indy should be able to check for errors on the glow plugs, if not just replace the controller if this brings the cost down significantly. I purchased 6 Bosch glow plugs from eBay new for about £40, all in all it shouldn't take more than 2 hours to complete the work.

The Beast · 02-14-2017, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshout

Your Indy should be able to check for errors on the glow plugs, if not just replace the controller if this brings the cost down significantly. I purchased 6 Bosch glow plugs from eBay new for about £40, all in all it shouldn't take more than 2 hours to complete the work.

Thanks, rightly or wrongly he's advising me to replace both the plugs and control module. However I've never replaced a set of glow plugs on a car before so not sure if this is a requirement...

roundy · 04-12-2017, 02:40 AM

I'm in the same situation as you, the specialist i went to showed me error codes for the plug and the all the glow plugs. This was only after asking them when carrying out a service if the car had started ok and what i had experienced.

When i did the Carly scan i only had an error for the plug itself.

I did consider getting a 2nd hand part at the time but the does not seem to be many about about on fleabay, only for other models.

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t_dawg1 Private 15 Rep 60 Posts Drives: BMW 5 Series F10 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Scotland iTrader: (0)	New to BMW got an F10 525d,since this cold spell up here in Scotland I find she vibrates quite heavily for about 5-10secs after starting before she settles to a smooth idle. Is this normal? She's still under warranty as well so would book it in if this ain't normal. Temp had been -4.5 though each time this happened
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kinhwear Devon Old Geezer 7 Rep 149 Posts Drives: F11 530d Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Devon iTrader: (0)	Saw the glow plug icon for the first time today!!
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t_dawg1 Private 15 Rep 60 Posts Drives: BMW 5 Series F10 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Scotland iTrader: (0)	UPDATE-So went to dealership who found nothing wrong with glow plugs etc but this morning for the first time with outside temp at -1.5* I pressed the start button followed by a brief moment of silence to which the Glow Plug light lit up for a few secs before she fired up and no vibration of engine at all. Perhaps it's fixed itself since the last cold spell as I def experienced some rough vibration on startup. Been using Millers Diesel addiditive for the last few weeks of that makes any difference?
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bigshout Private 24 Rep 71 Posts Drives: F10 535i Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London iTrader: (0)	It's defiantly the glow plug starter, I had to replace mine when I had a 535d. the car doesn't always record a fault in the log which is annoying. It’s an hours work to get replaced plus the pat which from memory was about £150. The reason you are experiencing the issue now is due to the cold weather, the plugs need help to warm up, in the milder weather the plugs don’t need any assistance to warm up.
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gtthree Private First Class 44 Rep 196 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Have you tried interrogating the cars EUC via an OBD cable and esys to see if there are any logged faults . This way you can view the any logged faults and ask your dealer to fix them under warranty. As long as you do not clear the errors then once you have read the error code you can describe the fault and ask the dealer to check the ECU, knowing there is an error. Fairly easy to tag onto a service, or some dealers offer a "free" end of warranty check. Beware they may however try and sell you tyres or brakes discs/pads. The cables are approx £15 to £20 some come with the software on cd's, but you can download it fairly easily (Rheingold). Last edited by gtthree; 01-04-2017 at 04:58 PM..
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gtthree Private First Class 44 Rep 196 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	search for bmw enet on either ebay amazon alibaba Confirm it will work the F series. I ordered the cable (and software) from ebay from China and it arrived within 10 days. However I used software from the internet to ensure I had the latest version and also that it was virus free from a well known trusted coder. who has written a custom interface to allow you to connect to the car and run the diagnostic software (rheingold), you can also with other software code your car. With the diagnostic software you can also reset faults and see faults before you take your car to the dealer. Coder's website http://tokenmaster.blogspot.co.uk you will need to locate Rheingold separately but a quick google search should assist Last edited by gtthree; 01-11-2017 at 01:02 PM..
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The Beast Lieutenant Colonel 268 Rep 1,597 Posts Drives: VW Transporter Sportline Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wolverhampton iTrader: (0)	What did you do with your car in the end? I have the same issue with my 530d. Slight vibration for 5-10 seconds on startup when it's slightly cold. However the other day when it was very cold I didn't get a glow plug light and the car didn't fire instantly. I had to hit the accelerator to get it to start... Taking it to a BMW specialist to see if any errors have been logged in the OBC.
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bigshout Private 24 Rep 71 Posts Drives: F10 535i Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Your Indy should be able to check for errors on the glow plugs, if not just replace the controller if this brings the cost down significantly. I purchased 6 Bosch glow plugs from eBay new for about £40, all in all it shouldn't take more than 2 hours to complete the work.
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roundy Private First Class 63 Rep 190 Posts Drives: F31 335d Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Uk iTrader: (0)	I'm in the same situation as you, the specialist i went to showed me error codes for the plug and the all the glow plugs. This was only after asking them when carrying out a service if the car had started ok and what i had experienced. When i did the Carly scan i only had an error for the plug itself. I did consider getting a 2nd hand part at the time but the does not seem to be many about about on fleabay, only for other models.
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