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      05-28-2014, 09:26 PM   #23
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Lol, you obviously haven't spend much (if any) time in an F10 nor an E Class, or at least the right F10.

I had 3 straight E Classes, and the F10 is on another level in luxury. It is by far the most luxurious and smoothest/comfortable in class, has higher safety ratings and is about 30% more torsionally rigid than the E Class. As Motor Trend said "it feels like how Mercedes used to". The E Class interior doesn't really compare, nor does the interior quietness or isolation, especially considering the M Sport F10 is still far more sporty.

The Lexus GS is just a dud. Drives well, but doesn't look nor feel as expensive as a 5 Series all in all, nor does an A6, IMO.

To me, the F10 with M suspension is the most dynamic car in class, "dynamic" because nobody does luxury + sport better than it. Others will do sportiness better, such as the A6, but they fall behind in the various other areas the F10 is so effortlessly good at. Being a basically sized down copy of the 7 Series, using the same chassis that's so over-engineered for this price range that it houses said 7 and the Rolls Royce Ghost, the F10 gets a bit leg up to its competition.

IMO the 3 Series interior is a joke, utterly cheap and the whole experience isn't at the refinement or luxury level of the 5, not even close. I also don't find the 4GC that attractive as it's less "Coupe" looking and more "Hot Hatch/Mini Sport Wagon". I personally prefer the F10 looks.

To O/P, the problem is that you have a 2011 F10 with no suspension mods, basically the worst combo unfortunately. A 2013+ model with the 704 M suspension will probably give you the sportiness and luxury you seek. Most guys who go from 2011 to 2013+ 704 F10's note a night and day "this is how a BMW should drive" difference.
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This entire post is spot on IMHO. An important note here about the 5-series chassis being shared with the 7 and Rolls Royce Ghost - truly one of the best I've experienced... solid, quiet, rigid, and composed. Couple it with the right suspension (passive sport or DHP) and it's a beautiful thing.

I also agree that the 3/4 interior is a bit of a let-down. The dash design really feels like another step backwards with the center stack continuing to feel/look like a cheap Japanese car. While I wasn't a fan of the e9x interior either (and lived with it for years), I think the current 3/4 is even a further departure from the quality I'd expect from BMW. The e46 interior, while lacking some of today's higher end materials, was a much more cohesive, driver-oriented design. The F10 gets a serious interior - driver oriented and large, sporty center stack, premium materials all around, leather abound, etc. The F30 materials seem to be going backwards, while the center stack is less driver oriented, smaller (confined to the upper dash and starting to look reminiscent of a mini-van if I must say), and stylistically seems to be a departure from the rest of the line-up.

To each his own, I guess... and I think the 3/4 are still good looking cars on the exterior... I think I actually like the 3 much more outside than the e9x... but the interiors are really suffering... granted, they do need to meet a specific price point (I'll give them a pass on some of the materials), but I think the design is just poor regardless.
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This entire post is spot on IMHO. An important note here about the 5-series chassis being shared with the 7 and Rolls Royce Ghost - truly one of the best I've experienced... solid, quiet, rigid, and composed. Couple it with the right suspension (passive sport or DHP) and it's a beautiful thing.
Totally agreed. It's possibly the best chassis I've experienced, period, when it comes to how many fine lines it meticulously walks at once. It's a chassis that's out of the league of this segment. Only people who seek that previous "raw" BMW drive, singularly sporty, don't appreciate it. Nothing wrong with that, we all have different priorities, but when I went from my E Class to my 5 Series, I felt like I stepped up to a six figure car, and IMO the F10 is literally inherently a six figure car with less standard fluff.

The F10 has a torsional rigidity of 37.5K nm's which is incredible (identical to the 7 Series), and practically industry leading at the time of its launch (still is amongst the best int the industry, even the brand new S Class barely reaches above it).

IMO the F10 is the perfect "if there was only one car I could own for the rest of my life" car, as it's solid, serene, sporty when it needs to be, technological without being gimmicky, and has a perfectly timeless and meticulously balanced design.

I'd love a 6 Series for my next car, mostly for the added headroom for my height, but the 5 is so well rounded especially factoring in the price.
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I won't beat a dead horse re the interior differences noted (which are all pretty accurate).

I will say that in the midst of looking for my F10 last year, I found out that BMW was likely to come out with a 4 gran coupe. Being that I loved the look of the 6GC, but thought it was a bit long and expensive for my taste, I thought the 4GC would be the perfect compromise. The initial renderings I saw suggested it would look like a baby 6GC. I was sold! I immediately stopped looking for F10s and just planned to wait for the 4GC. Then it happened.....I saw it - GAME OVER! I saw some spy shots and started to get a better idea of what the 4GC would look like. It certainly was no baby 6GC. It looked closer to the 3 Gran Turismo. Let's just say I was extremely dissappointed with the look of the 4GC and immediately resumed my search for the F10 and I'm so glad I did. IMO the roofline of the 4GC is not sporty, has no business being called a 'coupe' of any sort, and is a wasted opportunity for BMW.
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I won't beat a dead horse re the interior differences noted (which are all pretty accurate).

I will say that in the midst of looking for my F10 last year, I found out that BMW was likely to come out with a 4 gran coupe. Being that I loved the look of the 6GC, but thought it was a bit long and expensive for my taste, I thought the 4GC would be the perfect compromise. The initial renderings I saw suggested it would look like a baby 6GC. I was sold! I immediately stopped looking for F10s and just planned to wait for the 4GC. Then it happened.....I saw it - GAME OVER! I saw some spy shots and started to get a better idea of what the 4GC would look like. It certainly was no baby 6GC. It looked closer to the 3 Gran Turismo. Let's just say I was extremely dissappointed with the look of the 4GC and immediately resumed my search for the F10 and I'm so glad I did. IMO the roofline of the 4GC is not sporty, has no business being called a 'coupe' of any sort, and is a wasted opportunity for BMW.
I agree, 4GC is no way near 6GC in beauty

But I still have to see in person with its rimless doors, before any final verdict.

Anybody knows, when will it come to US?

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OP why would you downgrade too 4 series GC?
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OP why would you downgrade too 4 series GC?

I want a sportier and smaller car, I really don't want to downgrade in luxury. The sports seats in F10 are awesome.

I was just thinking of 4 GC, nothing is final. Next generation 5 series might be the right answer. It is still 3 years away, no problem.
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4GC can be optioned with leather dash to lessen the cheapness of the interior, plus now i can get the anthracite wood option with the Msport which is what i have in my 535i.

I have seen the car in person at NY auto show and it looks Great but not as good as an F10 Msport.
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I won't beat a dead horse re the interior differences noted (which are all pretty accurate).

I will say that in the midst of looking for my F10 last year, I found out that BMW was likely to come out with a 4 gran coupe. Being that I loved the look of the 6GC, but thought it was a bit long and expensive for my taste, I thought the 4GC would be the perfect compromise. The initial renderings I saw suggested it would look like a baby 6GC. I was sold! I immediately stopped looking for F10s and just planned to wait for the 4GC. Then it happened.....I saw it - GAME OVER! I saw some spy shots and started to get a better idea of what the 4GC would look like. It certainly was no baby 6GC. It looked closer to the 3 Gran Turismo. Let's just say I was extremely dissappointed with the look of the 4GC and immediately resumed my search for the F10 and I'm so glad I did. IMO the roofline of the 4GC is not sporty, has no business being called a 'coupe' of any sort, and is a wasted opportunity for BMW.
Exactly, BMW went too far with the marketing cheap-shot nonsense by calling the 4 GC a "GC". They built up what could have been something special with the "Gran Coupe" name judging by the 6GC, yet what we got was just another one of their becoming-many versions of a "GT/Wagon/SAV" with new model nomenclature justified by a fractional change in roofline dimensions. Since when did BMW turn into a company filled of predominantly Hatchbacks with fixed-trunk cars being a much smaller percentage.
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Just a follow up

I sold my 535i more than 6 months ago. I was trying to go slow and almost set to buy a MB C300 RWD, but at the end, I pulled the trigger on 435i Grancoupe

I am very happy about my decision finally and have to wait for 2 months for its arrival


It is a very beautiful car in a right combination
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Just a follow up

I sold my 535i more than 6 months ago. I was trying to go slow and almost set to buy a MB C300 RWD, but at the end, I pulled the trigger on 435i Grancoupe

I am very happy about my decision finally and have to wait for 2 months for its arrival


It is a very beautiful car in a right combination
7 months after my purchase, I'm still happy with the car. It's the best BMW I've ever owned and I've owned quite a few.

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With the 6 cylinder the 4GC feels much better, but any adult attempting to get into the back seat, either to sit there or get a child buckled in, or out, will be hitting their head, every time.

The 5 series is a MUCH more upscaled car. It needs DHP, 19's or even 20's but (and this is HUGE) you want to source a wheel/tire package that is lighter, MUCH lighter than stock and you MUST get NON-runflat tires. The car is treansformed.

Stock wheels weigh like 30 pounds each. Good wheels (BBS, MORR) weigh more like 22 or 23 pounds. The non runflat tires save another 6 to 8 pounds per wheel. Shedding 15 pounds per wheel makes an enormous difference in the way a car handles and turns in.

Another thing is do NOT order X-drive. BMW has convinced everyone they NEED an all wheel drive car and couldn't get along without it. Skip the 300 pound weight penalty and get a good set of snow tires. So you need to be careful 10, 15, MAYBE 20 days a year.... and drive a lighter, nimbler, more fuel efficiant car the other 345 days, AND you save thousands on the msrp, which is the real reason BMW is so sure you "need" X-drive.
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I don't know...when BMW gave me a 3 series as a loaner I couldn't stand driving it! I instead left it in my driveway and drove my son's Toyota corolla Lol! Just my opinion.

Post any pictures if you have any? Have you done any modifications or are you gonna leave it stock?
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I don't know...when BMW gave me a 3 series as a loaner I couldn't stand driving it! I instead left it in my driveway and drove my son's Toyota corolla Lol! Just my opinion.

Post any pictures if you have any? Have you done any modifications or are you gonna leave it stock?
My car is on order, still 2 months away

I had a bad experience with a 3 series loaner too, but test driving a 4 GC was a different experience especially 435i

I got midnight blue metallic, with saddle brown leather, luxury line and M sport brakes with blue calipers, it is a beauty
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I love everything about the 4 GC but the interior really let me down. The 6 GC is perfect except the price lol.
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I love everything about the 4 GC but the interior really let me down. The 6 GC is perfect except the price lol.
6 GC is more beautiful outside and inside, but extra price, extra size and extra weight
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I have a 428i Gran Coupe M-Sport while my 550 is in for the CCP.

It's a nice fun little car, but it's no comparison to the 5 Series IMO. It's also very low and scooped, for a bigger/taller person like me. I hit my shoulder getting in the cabin lol. The 328i is even easier to get in/out of.

It's smaller, lighter, little more nimble, but the interiors and fit and finish are night and day difference as others have said. No way would I trade down for one after driving it.
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I have a 428i Gran Coupe M-Sport while my 550 is in for the CCP.

It's a nice fun little car, but it's no comparison to the 5 Series IMO. It's also very low and scooped, for a bigger/taller person like me. I hit my shoulder getting in the cabin lol. The 328i is even easier to get in/out of.

It's smaller, lighter, little more nimble, but the interiors and fit and finish are night and day difference as others have said. No way would I trade down for one after driving it.
I agree that it is day and night difference in luxury, but if we compare 535i vs 435i, we will definitely feel the extra weight of 535i and 435i is even more nimble as compared to 428i
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I'm actually looking at a 435i Coupe for my next car so I wish they had given me one as a loaner. I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares now that I've been in the 428.
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I'm actually looking at a 435i Coupe for my next car so I wish they had given me one as a loaner. I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares now that I've been in the 428.
435i are usually not on the lot but lot of 428i

I test drove a 435i coupe, then ordered 435i GC. There were no 435i GC on the lot to test drive. 428i although quick enough, didn't impress me in its smoothness

RSBro good luck for your next car, 435i Coupe is a great car
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I sat in a 435 GC at the local car show and then the dealership. My only real gripe about the 3/4 series interiors is the un-integrated look of the Nav/info display ... Just seems like some one stuck a TomTom on the dash. Ive never been a fan.

While there are lots of cool things you can order/configure your 4 GC as ... the one thing that is simply too much to give up was space. The back seat, doesnt have a prayer for even 3 kids where my 5 series seats my three growing teenagers with comfort. Assuming you can get past the 2 seat back seat space, the headroom is so lacking, that I cant sit straight. My head slams right into the ceiling. I have to push the driver seat forward several inches and slide forward. That's comfortable. Not enough room for my 5'9 frame in the back and me driving.

Like r3amir said, too bad the 6 GC is so relatively over priced

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While there are lots of cool things you can order/configure your 4 GC as ... the one thing that is simply too much to give up was space. The back seat, doesnt have a prayer for even 3 kids where my 5 series seats my three growing teenagers with comfort. Assuming you can get past the 2 seat back seat space, the headroom is so lacking, that I cant sit straight. My head slams right into the ceiling. I have to push the driver seat forward several inches and slide forward. That's comfortable. Not enough room for my 5'9 frame in the back and me driving.
3 kids?! The 4GC is a 4 series coupe with 2 doors for better access to the back seats. At no point did BMW characterize it as a people hauler. Yet, every day I see people using its lack of back seat space as a main criticism.

Barry, there's nothing at all inaccurate about what you've written here, and I guess it is what's different between the E36 and the F10 - but you write with a disappointed tone. Did you go into your research on this car expecting something different that what you found?
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three years a go i finally traded my x5 for a 550 gt, this year i was ready to go even smaller now that both my kids are officially in college and both are in wisconsin so no need for a big car to take them to school…. finally traded my wife down in size from x3 to 335gt, and it has more then enough room when we need it but the 3 and 4 series interiors are just not to my liking…
I so wanted to move to the 435 vert xdrive…just imagine one car does it all winter and summer….

I was very lucky and my timing was great, i was able to test drive 435gc,435 vert, and 435 coup, all m sport all xdrive..they all drove great and very similar, didn't really notice the few tenths of a sec on slower the vert was…..but overall the ride was a little to choppy and the interior to cramped and not luxurious enough for me to move away from a 5 series...

I also think that the 335 GT is a better handling car then the 4, the longer wheel base making it much less jittery and the car has so much more room then the 4 gt.

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