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      06-23-2015, 04:32 AM   #23
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Qty 1, Optical conductor, door, front top left - 63319186635
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door, front top right - 63319186636
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door, rear top left - 63319186637
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door, rear top right - 63319186638
There are the most important ones. The ones that are most visible. Mi car has the bottom part of the interior trim black and the top cream yellowish color (you can see in the pictures). The light for fiber optics inside the door pocket are not visible at all. Only if you have some things inside this pocket the light becomes visible. not sure what is your interior color.

Qty 1, Optical conductor, door front pocket, left - 63319186639
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door front pocket, right - 63319186640
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door rear pocket, left - 63319186641
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door rear pocket, right - 63319186642
This are the ones inside the pocket

Qty 8, LED Module - 63319242150
Here is another discussion. For top fiber optics i used different code 63319213415 for top LEDs (LAST 2 pictures from my tutorial post) and for pocket i used 63319242150

Qty 1, Holder, fibre-optic conductor, front left - 51417225881
Qty 1, Holder, fibre-optic conductor, front right - 51417225882
Qty 1, Holder, fibre-optic conductor, rear left - 51427226459
Qty 1, Holder, fibre-optic conductor, rear right - 51427226461
These are the holders. I did not buy holders for the rear door. I used other method of attaching the fiber optic. Do you know the plastic cable holders that are comonly used for securing cables on the wall? That's what i used: Name:  images.jpg
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For front doors i suggest to buy the holders they are very useful.
These holders look like this - the black plastic that supports the fiber optic
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Qty 1, LED module, center armrest storage compartment - 63319208283
Not required . I did not do this project
Qty 9, 3 pin plug 837707203 (16 wired pins will be required ask your dealer to match to these plugs) - Not sure what this was. Did not order.

Now i have a question for you.
Did you think how to connect the wires to LED's? Each LED has two pins (polarity) and these pins are pretty much inside. And the wires are wires. What i did is (hope my elevated language is understandable ) to buy some metal connection tubes. They are small "pipes" or female tubes that i used for this thing. Clipped (using an ordinary plier) each tube on the wire end and the other end of the tube connected to each pin. Hope you understood. You should wait for your LEDs to come then go with them to an electrical shop and tell them that you need to connect these wire to these pins ... maybe they will guide you ...

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      06-23-2015, 06:28 AM   #24
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Qty 1, LED module, center armrest storage compartment - 63319208283
Not required . I did not do this project
Great, I am not going to bother with this centre armrest either.

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Qty 9, 3 pin plug 837707203 (16 wired pins will be required ask your dealer to match to these plugs) - Not sure what this was. Did not order.
As I mentioned in my previous post, this part number is incorrect and does not exist. The correct number should be 61.13.8.377.072 and as far as I know, these are some sort of black connector - probably like what you have on your photo 10 & 11 ??? I don't know, so I don't know if I need to order these??? If you look up part number 61.13.8.377.072, you might know what they are and if 8 x of them are required (as I'm not doing the centre armrest).

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Now i have a question for you.
Did you think how to connect the wires to LED's? Each LED has two pins (polarity) and these pins are pretty much inside. And the wires are wires. What i did is (hope my elevated language is understandable ) to buy some metal connection tubes. They are small "pipes" or female tubes that i used for this thing. Clipped (using an ordinary plier) each tube on the wire end and the other end of the tube connected to each pin. Hope you understood. You should wait for your LEDs to come then go with them to an electrical shop and tell them that you need to connect these wire to these pins ... maybe they will guide you ...
I am planning to use a mixture of "Butt terminal crimp connectors" (where I need to cut wires and put them back together - and - "Bootlace Ferrule connectors" for the likes of connecting the LEDs. Like you said, I won't know for sure what will be required as I don't know what they look like and there are no photos on line to help. I will hopefully figure that out when I (a) know exactly what parts to order and (b) get all of the parts delivered.

OK, now to my few questions which will hopefully be the last questions until after I have installed everything and post a full guide with photos. To answer your question, my interior is Oyster/Black. (see attached photo).

Please see other photo I attached to this post (with blue writing & arrows) for illustration purposes and hopefully to make this thread easier to follow. If I am wrong on any of the following, please correct me.

For the top (long fibre optic) door strip for all 4 doors I need the following...

63319186635
63319186636
63319186637
63319186638

For these long fibre optic strips (above), I also need the 4 plastic holders (if I want to have them all done & fitted properly)...

51417225881
51417225882
51427226459
51427226461

I also need the following for the 4 lower (smaller) door pockets closest to the floor...

63319186639
63319186640
63319186641
63319186642

Is there not a black plastic holder for these too? If not, how are these fixed to the door pocket?

I then need 8 x LED Modules which I assume give light to all the fibre optic cables.

63319242150

However, you now confuse me a little by giving two different codes for two different LED Modules, but without explaining why? Why did you use the other Module for the top (longer) fibre optic strip? What is the difference between 63319242150 & 63319213415 ???? I assume the fibre optic module is the clear ending in your photos 8 & 9? So what is the part number for the black plastic connector in your photos 10 & 11 and what is it connecting to?

Is there anything else I need to just install the long fibre optic (nearest the window) and the smaller fibre optic in the door pocket (nearest the floor)?

Finally, in a previous post you said...
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For example what i did was to test the LED's in the connector pins/slots and when i was sure what wires are good for me that's when i used the scissor.
How did you test the LEDs before cutting any of the wires? Did you just touch the bare LED wire off each of the pins in the large black connector box and if so - did you do this on the car side or the door side? (i.e. Your photo 1 & 2).

I know we're nearly there, but I beginning to think this is more hassle than it's worth.

Hopefully I get the answers needed and I can then write my own guide with photos.

As ever, thanks in advance for your help.
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      06-23-2015, 01:26 PM   #25
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The part numbers you posted are all correct.
For lower fiber optics (door pocket) there is no plastic holder. Take a look at your car. Inside the pocket , on top, you will see a groove/a gap. That is the place the fiber optic will fit and will sit firmly.
When you install the optics inside the door pocket you will need to make a small hole where the end of the fiber optic will pass on the inside of the door panel. maybe you already have the small hole. i didn't have it. It is all carton so it's easy to make using a cutter.
The 2 part numbers i gave are for two different LED's. But both are part of Ambient light system. See realoem.com
One of the 2 LEDs (the black one you can see in my pictures) is easier to install for top fiber optics. It is straight and it is easier to face the light exactly at the end of the fiber optic.
The other one (63319242150) is angled - the light is 90 dgrs on the body. This one is for the door pocket but can be used for top one as well, however it isn't as easy to make a secure and tight layout (to face it properly at the end of the optic)
You have all you need to start the retrofit. I suggest to buy the parts for one side firstly and do that side. Then you have the experience to order and make the other side of your car.
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      06-23-2015, 04:34 PM   #26
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How did you test the LEDs before cutting any of the wires? Did you just touch the bare LED wire off each of the pins in the large black connector box and if so - did you do this on the car side or the door side? (i.e. Your photo 1 & 2).
Exactly like that. but not on the door side connector. When you disconnect the harness connection box the door side has no more power into it. So you need to test your LED on the car side connection taking one by one each pin until you find the two correct ones.
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The 2 part numbers i gave are for two different LED's. But both are part of Ambient light system. See realoem.com
One of the 2 LEDs (the black one you can see in my pictures) is easier to install for top fiber optics. It is straight and it is easier to face the light exactly at the end of the fiber optic.
The other one (63319242150) is angled - the light is 90 dgrs on the body. This one is for the door pocket but can be used for top one as well, however it isn't as easy to make a secure and tight layout (to face it properly at the end of the optic)
Again, thank you for your replies & info - much appreciated.

The thing about the two different LED Module numbers you gave is; one has now become obsolete (63.31.9.242.150) and is no longer supplied directly by BMW. The other one (63.31.9.213.415) was not recommended by my BMW Dealership. He said something about it was only "2 polig and it should be 3 polig"? I don't even know what that means (polig), but he gave me the right LED Module to get. As it is a new upgraded LED module, hopefully it does the trick.

What I hate about realoem.com, is that there are no pictures or proper diagrams for the part, so not really helpful to go looking up a part number. Therefore there is no way to see a visual difference between any LED Module? It's also the reason why I asked you about 61138377072 (plug housing), but I have no clue (1) what this is, (2) what it is used for, or (3) if I need it for this install? It was on 'livefour2day' original post, but I've no clue what it is?

I am also thinking about ordering an extra 2 x fibre optics & LEDs and putting them in the footwells to extend the Ambient Lighting a little??

Thanks again for your help.
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      06-24-2015, 12:42 AM   #28
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What I hate about realoem.com, is that there are no pictures or proper diagrams for the part, so not really helpful to go looking up a part number. Therefore there is no way to see a visual difference between any LED Module? It's also the reason why I asked you about 61138377072 (plug housing), but I have no clue (1) what this is, (2) what it is used for, or (3) if I need it for this install? It was on 'livefour2day' original post, but I've no clue what it is?

I am also thinking about ordering an extra 2 x fibre optics & LEDs and putting them in the footwells to extend the Ambient Lighting a little??
You stirred me into upgrading my ambient light as well. Last year i did my right side and for the left part i had no more time and parts. Now i will order the parts again and continue with left side ...
Think about upgrading your speakers into front doors panels(if you have the basic system). It is a good opportunity since you take out your panel.
Remember ... a lot of duct tape will be required to make things neatly.
Yes , you're right, realOEM is not too helpful but can give you the guidance.
Order the ones that are available you will figure out how to install them , i have no doubt. The main and most important thing is that the light (LED) is touching straight at the end of fiber optic. Few mm deviation will not light up your fiber optic very well. And when you secure everything all the parts should sit firmly on the panel.
Order 63319213415 they will work just fine. After 2 hours of work for removing panels and arranging your tools will arrive the moment you'll see the LED light up. That will be a major boost for the rest of your work.

I also don't know what is "2 polig and it should be 3 polig" . But i used it and it works. keep the faith.

Plug housings i didn't order as well but were not required. The part nos givel by live4today , as you can see, ar not very accurate.
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Think about upgrading your speakers into front doors panels(if you have the basic system). It is a good opportunity since you take out your panel.
Yeah, I thought about doing that, especially while I have the door panels off - but it's coming down to money at this point - so will have to stick with the ambient lighting this time around. You should think about getting extra fibre optics and lighting your footwell - always gives a great effect. I would do the footwells before doing the rear compartment as when driving, I will see the footwells more than the back seats. Personal preference I suppose.
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The main and most important thing is that the light (LED) is touching straight at the end of fiber optic. Few mm deviation will not light up your fiber optic very well. And when you secure everything all the parts should sit firmly on the panel.
Thanks for the tip!
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Order 63319213415 they will work just fine.
OK, I will go back to my BMW supplier and ask about 63319213415 to see what he says.
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Plug housings i didn't order as well but were not required. The part nos givel by live4today , as you can see, ar not very accurate.
According to my BMW dealer, I just found out what they are. I quote him: "The contacts 61130005197 are the pins needed for the plug connectors." I am assuming these are the little pins you were talking about to connect the LEDs???
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Order 63319213415 they will work just fine.
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OK, I will go back to my BMW supplier and ask about 63319213415 to see what he says.
I just found out!!! My BMW Dealer contacted BMW in Germany to check out the differences between the LED Modules. 63.31.9.213.415 is a '2 Polig' LED Module specifically for the LED behind the interior door opener handle and is not the correct part number for the LEDs for the fibre optic strips. It is a smaller LED (to fit behind/above the interior door open lever).

The correct LED part to order for all fibre optic strips was previously 63.31.9.242.150 but this has now been cancelled and updated to a new part number. (Check realoem)
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The correct LED part to order for all fibre optic strips was previously 63.31.9.242.150 but this has now been cancelled and updated to a new part number. (Check realoem)
It is 63319353133 Very good finding.

But ... 3-polig and 2-polig in German means 3-poles and 2-poles and that means 3-polig has 3 pins. I remember only 2 of them worked. So i connected the 2 wires to 2 pins from the 3 existent.

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Ambient Lighting

Hi guys, could you tell me whats the diameter of both, as found online cheaper alternative

Qty 1, Optical conductor, door, front top left - 63319186635
Qty 1, Optical conductor, door front pocket, left - 63319186639

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2522361995...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Hi guys, could you tell me whats the diameter of both, as found online cheaper alternative
i didnt measure the diam but a remember it couldnt be more than 5mm. But this is not the point. the original part is not an ordinary fiber optic. it is designed to fit properly where is should and it is not clear( if it would be clear it would transfer the light from the LED to it's end) The orig part has a different shape and construction that helps giving the light allover it's length. I wouldn't buy ordinary fiber optics for this job.
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Hi everyone. I have the OEM lights already installed on my 5. My question is is there anyway to increase the output of the lights? I like the modern look (white LED) but you can barely see it when it's on. The classic look is more visible but I feel the output is still too weak. BMW could have done better in this area. If you go into a Mercedes with the same trim lighting it's much more noticeable.
Any help or suggestions in this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Mason Yang;22134659]
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No. just retrofitting the original ambient light. This is an option that we don't have.

This is how it looks for front and rear door

the ambient light only 1 color too simple..what do you think of our product as below pictures?


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https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008785091538

Does your product allow you to adjust the brightness level still?
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He much is the whole kit
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[QUOTE=Mason Yang;22153627]
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yes,same as the original to adjust the brightness by system and it is nondestructive installation.
Awesome. Thank you for responding.
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(Load up the defibrillator, we're going in...)

Like the people in this thread, I love the look of the ambient kit. So much that when I changed to a facelift version of the F10 and discovered it doesn't have the kit, my heart sank about a meter. BUT, I still have my older F10, which has the exact same trim colours (not yet sold it, long story about why I needed to buy a newer F10). My question is the thread above mentions that some of the wiring is already there on a car without the ambient kit. Is this correct? E.g. the wiring loom/harness already contains the wire needed, and therefore I can just unplug all the pieces from my old F10 and swap with the new one? If some of the wiring was already there, how comes there's a need to cut wires/splice new wires...?

I'm going to attempt this this weekend, and will do a post with photos.

FYI for those looking at removing the door card, I found the following videos useful:




Any help/advice appreciated!
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Is the armrest light amber or white? My current one is amber and I've seen the f30s with white and would prefer that because it'd be easier to see things inside the console
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Hi all.
How can I make ambient lights to work on my confort, active seats retrofitted. Everything works, including memory buttons after retrofitting from standard seats. I have only collum steering error, because the confort seats, as I understand include also electrical column steering but this should not affect anything.
If I code the seats with 4UR option will be enough to light up the ambient lights of the seats? Do I need to code FRM to? With VO coding...adding 4UR to VO then seat modules code. ...
I don't have the ambient lights at all on my car.
Sorry if I typed anything wrong but I'm newbie in coding but still succeed to retrofit the seats by myself. Wiring diagram, and seatbelts error was the hardest part.

In the meantime I have found that Ambient lighting is not connected to the seat module. No need to code it.
In F10 there was no such light. For 5GT, long base and 7 series depending on the year there is one or two wires going from the plug under seat to FRM (pin 48 in plug A58*3B or pin 10 and 7 in plug A58*1B).

But new questions now:
1. In order to know if I need one or 2 wire I need to know the year model of the seats?Fast way?
2. I installed also the ambient led in the doors, the one with one color only and connected each one to the door panel for windows.
All three doors work the dimm but for the driver door ot stays at full bright and does not change like the three other when I move the lights wheel.
Can you help me more, please?
Maybe with some vin or schematics? I only find schematics for ambient with 2 colors and for those I need to route differ wires, and there are 2.
Thanks
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