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      05-28-2014, 03:25 PM   #1
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2015 MY changes

When will we see information regarding changes to the 2015 MY F10??
I realize there should be no large changes after the LCI, however I am curious as to whether there will be color changes or option package changes??
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Check the Bimmerfest forum. Someone has posted the ordering an depriving guides for MY2015
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No guide for 2015 F10 yet
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http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/att...1&d=1401225354
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this seems too be new for MY15:

A richer experience thanks to intelligent networking: 8-speed Steptronic transmission with proactive drive system.

From the summer of 2014, the new 8-speed Steptronic transmission with a proactive drive system will also be available for the models of the BMW 1 Series, BMW 2 Series, BMW 3 Series, BMW 4 Series and BMW 5 Series. On vehicles equipped with a navigation system, the proactive drive system ensures that the moment to shift gears is precisely adapted to the prevailing driving situation even if the navigation system is not active. The Proactive Driving Assistant works in tandem with the navigation system and "sees" a bend or a roundabout ahead and takes into account turn-offs and motorway exits. If the vehicle is approaching a roundabout or a bend, the transmission automatically changes down to the most appropriate gear, making optimum use of the engine braking effect. Subsequently, the system again shifts to the optimal gear for accelerating out of the bend. Furthermore, unnecessary gearshifts and hunting between bends are avoided through intelligent interaction with the navigation system.
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this seems too be new for MY15:

A richer experience thanks to intelligent networking: 8-speed Steptronic transmission with proactive drive system.

From the summer of 2014, the new 8-speed Steptronic transmission with a proactive drive system will also be available for the models of the BMW 1 Series, BMW 2 Series, BMW 3 Series, BMW 4 Series and BMW 5 Series. On vehicles equipped with a navigation system, the proactive drive system ensures that the moment to shift gears is precisely adapted to the prevailing driving situation even if the navigation system is not active. The Proactive Driving Assistant works in tandem with the navigation system and "sees" a bend or a roundabout ahead and takes into account turn-offs and motorway exits. If the vehicle is approaching a roundabout or a bend, the transmission automatically changes down to the most appropriate gear, making optimum use of the engine braking effect. Subsequently, the system again shifts to the optimal gear for accelerating out of the bend. Furthermore, unnecessary gearshifts and hunting between bends are avoided through intelligent interaction with the navigation system.
I think this has been available for all LCI's? I definitely read about it on the LCI press release.
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Does anyone know of any other changes for 2015? The ordering guide looks unchanged from 2014 but I am wondering what the minor cosmetic and other standard changes might be. Thanks!
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I think this has been available for all LCI's? I definitely read about it on the LCI press release.
it says from the summer of 2014
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      05-29-2014, 09:09 AM   #9
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it says from the summer of 2014
I agree with the LCI comment.

This was announced during the LCI changes...
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I have a 2014 and don't believe the car downshifts with approaching bends and what-not... at least not that's perceivable if it does? It's 8-speed, so I guess a single gear change may be harder to perceive, but if the objective is engine-braking, I would imagine it would be more noticeable.

I'm expecting that very little will likely be new for MY2015 as the LCI introduced a number of new changes, already.
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I have a 2014 and don't believe the car downshifts with approaching bends and what-not... at least not that's perceivable if it does? It's 8-speed, so I guess a single gear change may be harder to perceive, but if the objective is engine-braking, I would imagine it would be more noticeable.

I'm expecting that very little will likely be new for MY2015 as the LCI introduced a number of new changes, already.
Perhaps it, as usual, is one of those things that EU models got and U.S models didn't, and now U.S models get it.
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I have a 2014 and don't believe the car downshifts with approaching bends and what-not... at least not that's perceivable if it does? It's 8-speed, so I guess a single gear change may be harder to perceive, but if the objective is engine-braking, I would imagine it would be more noticeable.

I'm expecting that very little will likely be new for MY2015 as the LCI introduced a number of new changes, already.
Who cares about that feature anyway? It gives them something to write but other than that ...
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I have a 2014 and don't believe the car downshifts with approaching bends and what-not... at least not that's perceivable if it does? It's 8-speed, so I guess a single gear change may be harder to perceive, but if the objective is engine-braking, I would imagine it would be more noticeable.

I'm expecting that very little will likely be new for MY2015 as the LCI introduced a number of new changes, already.
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Perhaps it, as usual, is one of those things that EU models got and U.S models didn't, and now U.S models get it.
I haven't heard of the Proactive auto into now, so I doubt it was on the MY2014.

New for MY2015 are upgraded 518d and 520d engines, but you US guys won't benefit from that.
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I haven't heard of the Proactive auto into now, so I doubt it was on the MY2014.

New for MY2015 are upgraded 518d and 520d engines, but you US guys won't benefit from that.
Agreed - I'm thinking the proactive gearbox thing must be new for 2015. Makes me wonder, though... while it sounds cool, is that just completely over-engineered? The auto start/stop seems to fall into that category for me... seems like it wears the engine (admitted in the manual) as a means to save a minimal amount of fuel... so how much extra am I (a) paying for this technology in the purchase price of the car, (b) paying in engine wear, and (c) paying to repair it all when/if it breaks, versus the fuel I'm saving with it? This proactive gearing technology seems to beg a similar question albeit not to the same degree of concern for me...

We may need to remind BMW of a basic business concept - Return on Investment (ROI)!
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Agreed - I'm thinking the proactive gearbox thing must be new for 2015. Makes me wonder, though... while it sounds cool, is that just completely over-engineered? The auto start/stop seems to fall into that category for me... seems like it wears the engine (admitted in the manual) as a means to save a minimal amount of fuel... so how much extra am I (a) paying for this technology in the purchase price of the car, (b) paying in engine wear, and (c) paying to repair it all when/if it breaks, versus the fuel I'm saving with it? This proactive gearing technology seems to beg a similar question albeit not to the same degree of concern for me...

We may need to remind BMW of a basic business concept - Return on Investment (ROI)!
Yes, I pretty much always turn of the ASS when I start driving.
But the reason for all these efforts so save fuel, is because of EU, they are really pushing the carmakers here in Europe to reduse the CO2 emissions from cars.

Here's somthing I googled:
-European Union legislation sets mandatory emission reduction targets for new cars. This legislation is the cornerstone of the EU's strategy to improve the fuel economy of cars sold on the European market. The law is similar to that covering new vans.
The fleet average to be achieved by all new cars is 130 grams of CO2 per kilometre (g/km) by 2015 – with the target phased in from 2012 - and 95g/km by 2021, phased in from 2020.
The 2015 and 2021 targets represent reductions of 18% and 40% respectively compared with the 2007 fleet average of 158.7g/km.
In terms of fuel consumption, the 2015 target is approximately equivalent to 5.6 litres per 100 km (l/100 km) of petrol or 4.9 l/100 km of diesel. The 2021 target equates to approximately 4.1 l/100 km of petrol or 3.6 l/100 km of diesel.-
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i dont want offend anyone but ASS is not a problem but you(driver) are, because you dont like it and you are seeking things that would justify your thinking that ASS is annoying and useless. It does couse additional wear, but engine components are build too withstand additional wear coused by ASS.
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i dont want offend anyone but ASS is not a problem but you(driver) are, because you dont like it and you are seeking things that would justify your thinking that ASS is annoying and useless. It does couse additional wear, but engine components are build too withstand additional wear coused by ASS.
Not true. BMW in the manual says the operation of ASS will lead to premature component wear. I don't care though. I don't keep my cars beyond 6 years (CPO after the lease) so any starter replacement would be covered. I like saving fuel so I let mine operate unless I'm in constant stop and go traffic causing excessive start stop.
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it does say it,but for example starter is ten times stronger too withstand ASS operation
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Not true. BMW in the manual says the operation of ASS will lead to premature component wear. I don't care though. I don't keep my cars beyond 6 years (CPO after the lease) so any starter replacement would be covered. I like saving fuel so I let mine operate unless I'm in constant stop and go traffic causing excessive start stop.
Can you refer to the page number (in the manual) where it states this excessive wear?

I have a UK 2014 model 535 and cannot find any reference to component wear in the manual.
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it does say it,but for example starter is ten times stronger too withstand ASS operation
My friend, I'm not sure where you're getting your facts from - can you please reference where you've learned that the starter is "ten times stronger" to withstand auto stop/start operation? And ten times stronger than what? A conventional starter? A previous BMW starter pre-ASS?

As Grover pointed out, the manual clearly states that ASS operation WILL prematurely wear engine components (I have a US car and manual). They don't simply call out the starter, by the way, which I believe is probably just one mechanism taking the brunt of the constant starting/stopping of the engine.

I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've taken enough engineering classes to know that moving parts, when constantly stopped and started, and friction is in play, will get worn. The engine, and all of its many components, are continually being asked to go from a steady-state (running) to a stopped-state and back again. Maybe someone who's more mechanically inclined than me can provide a reasonable defense of the technology, but simple physics would seem to suggest that it can't be beneficial as far as wear-and-tear.

So, the real question is Return on Investment (ROI). Any first year college student in a business program learns the term... a simple concept: what reward do you reap for your investment? In the case of ASS, each owner is paying $X in the purchase price of their car to have this technology present. Each owner is also experiencing additional engine wear that reduces the lifetime of certain components to the tune of $Y in additional maintenance. This is all done in the name of saving $Z in fuel costs. So the ROI question begs... is $X + $Y < $Z? I'd love to know.

I have a feeling (and it's only a feeling as I haven't done the math) that the answer is no. Sitting at a stop light, given how brief a time and how little strain is put on the engine, eats up a minimal amount of fuel. How many hundreds of stop lights does it take before ASS saves the owner even a gallon of fuel? Here in the US that's about $4.50 for premium (my neck of the woods at least). How many THOUSANDS upon thousands of stoplight stop/starts does it take to save me a few hundred dollars in fuel? Effectively, I've now taxed the engine (starter and all other relevant components) the equivalent of years worth of additional daily "normal" starts to get to this point? Again, all anecdotal, and I haven't done any real math here... but I have a feeling the economics just aren't there.

Seems like a gimmick and more trouble than it's worth... which is why I keep it OFF.
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