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      11-14-2014, 10:39 PM   #1
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Finally Picked Up My Car!

It took a LONG time, a little over 5 months, but today I picked up my 535d. Its silver with a black nappa interior, M-sport, X-drive, the good seats, dynamic handling, etc.

The car is, in a word, smooth. Smooth, refined, quiet. Perfectly damped and composed. This is a very sophisticated machine. Acceleration is effortless. With just 6 miles at the dealer, I can't really get on it, but the power comes on so smooth and so strong I personally can not imagine needing more engine. Step on the gas (diesel) from 60 and there is no downshift, but rather a surge of power that has you going 90 in no time at all.

Disappointment? the Harmon Kardon stereo is really weak. I had the upgraded sound in my '12 X5 and that system was fabulous.

I drove home about 30 miles, all highway, from the dealer. My fuel gauge did not move, and the computer was reading 46.7 mpg. I'm interested to see where the mileage goes as the car gets broken in.

If I can figure out how to post pics I'll take a few photos and let everyone here have a look...

The smooth Nappa on the M-sport steering wheel is very nice. In fact its probably the nicest steering wheel Ive ever had in a car.
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      11-14-2014, 10:46 PM   #2
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Congrats! Sounds like a fantastic ride. I am yet to drive a diesel F10. I am looking forward to trying one out.
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      11-15-2014, 12:01 AM   #3
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Congratulations! And welcome to the 5-series diesel society

As for the body roll, you will find a lot of discussions on the forum. All is actually ending up with a simple advice: upgrade the sway bars and have sport springs installed. For the first one, you may want to read this thread: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...ht=M5+sway+bar and example how to order the whole upgrade kit: http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F10-535...Bar/ES2702862/. For the springs, H&R or Eibach are recommended, a local distributor or BMW tuning shop can help to pick a proper part number.

Sound is not a strong part of the 5-series, even the expensive top option Bang & Olufsen with that stupid sound oyster at the dashboard is rather a product placement trick. If you audio demand is high, the logical way is to engage a specialized car audio shop to make a good sound isolation and retrofit with a good hardware. BMW OEM systems are not really competitive.

Anyway, good luck with the great new ride!
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      11-15-2014, 02:54 AM   #4
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Congratulations, yes that diesel engine is awesome I have it in my 5.

I just love the torque of a diesel engine and would have nothing else bar maybe a multi-turbo 6 cylinder/V8, which unfortunately is financial suicide in the UK as a daily driver!

Fuel consumption will whoely depend on how heavy your right foot is... I generally get around 38 mpg on the highway and 28 mpg around town, but that is driving the enthusiastically. You can get much better if you drive moderately.
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      11-15-2014, 07:19 AM   #5
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Sorry, a little off of your topic but real quick, what are the benefits of a diesel 5 series vs a regular 5 series? Doesnt diesel cost more?
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As for the body roll, you will find a lot of discussions on the forum. All is actually ending up with a simple advice: upgrade the sway bars and have sport springs installed. For the first one, you may want to read this thread: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...ht=M5+sway+bar" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://f10.5post.com...5+sway+bar</a> and example how to order the whole upgrade kit: http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F10-535...Bar/ES2702862/" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.ecstuning...ES2702862/</a>. For the springs, H&amp;amp;R or Eibach are recommended, a local distributor or BMW tuning shop can help to pick a proper part number.
OP has the dynamic handling package with electronic swaybars - can't change them.
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      11-15-2014, 01:29 PM   #7
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OP has the dynamic handling package with electronic swaybars - can't change them.
OK got it. When the DHP has both Dynamic Damper Control (shoks) and Adaptive Drive (sway bars) it is a perfect feature as also discussed here: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1006314
Then still sport springs is a good retrofit to complete the suspension.
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      11-15-2014, 02:29 PM   #8
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Sorry, a little off of your topic but real quick, what are the benefits of a diesel 5 series vs a regular 5 series? Doesnt diesel cost more?
Diesel in many countries costs 10% less than petrol, even the winter type (the summer type is the cheapest). Honestly, at consumption and price side - I don't think when buying a luxury sedan price is really the factor, but it is fun to drive at 5.5 l/100 = 51 mpg even running winter spike tires (see my today's screenshot):

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Now let's take a look from performance side. The 530d has 258 hp, 560 Nm torque, transmission type GA8HP70Z (700Nm) vs. 535i of 306 hp 400Nm torque, but the transmission type is GA8HP45Z (450 Nm). Disel car can be easily upgraded to 313 hp 600Nm torque with no exceeding transmission's nominal, while at the petrol car transmission nominal limit is almost reached, see the table below:

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When in stock, diesel 5 is already better in torque and mpg, then at the price of 1500 Euro (Hartge or Steinbauer box, the last one is BMW certified) it can be also better in power (if it is really necessary, normally it is not), at no technical impact on transmission resource and lifetime.

There is no intention to promote diesel over petrol, both BMW engines are good. Just explanation of a personal choice with numbers and facts that everyone can check and verify if needed. Hope the provided info is helpful.
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      11-15-2014, 09:29 PM   #9
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OP has the dynamic handling package with electronic swaybars - can't change them.
Thanks for all the support and answers! The Dynamic Handling is pretty amazing... it virtually eliminates all body role. I had it on my M3 and loved it, had it on my X5 and was amazed at how flat that big heavy vehicle went around corners.

The 535d handles really well with it. It isn't an M3, not close, but for a midsized luxury car it is far superior to the competition. I'm going to lose the run flats very soon. Doing so on the X5 totally transformed the way the vehicle drove to the extent that I promised myself I would never again wait for my first set of run flats to wear out before making the switch. With high performance non run flat rubber, DHP and that nice punchy diesel, I'm very pleased with my new ride.
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      11-15-2014, 10:26 PM   #10
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having had both I will share my two cents on Diesel vs Petrol.

Cost.
A Diesel car is usually more expensive than a petrol car to buy.
Diesel fuel is cheaper, but I guess unless you plan to have the car for many years and put many miles on it, you will not break even.

Performance.
Diesel: massive low end torque, short rev range, very little top end power.
NA Petrol: low low end torque, long rev range, power in the higher revband.
FI Petrol: medium low end torque, long rev range, most power is still in the higher revs.

A diesel car is great for driving around town, cruising on the highway, pulling stuff ect. but its a docile car, reacts a bit slower and the fun factor is not very high.
So if you are pulling stuff, or enjoy massive low end torque and a comfortable cruiser, diesel is something to consider.
If you like more sporty driving, screaming revs and a lot higher fun factor, petrol is the way to go.

Having driven an F11 diesel for the past 6 months, I do miss the 4000-8000 rpm range on my old M3 from time to time, but the massive torque from 1500-4000rpm is pretty addictive too.
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      11-16-2014, 01:36 AM   #11
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Good point.
For the cost, in some countries like mine diesel cars aren't more expensive because of marketing: people still believe petrol is cool and diesel is not. As foк the numbers, there is even no matter of saving on fuel but I just like my current number 6-7 l/100 more than 15-18 l/100 with the old 540i. Feel effectiveness.
For the performance, it depends much on owner's personality. Demand of a 22 year old guy driving countryside highways is the 550xi catless JB4 with methanol, to show up to friends and attract cheeks. Demand of a 40 year old guy living in large urban area with speed limit cameras is a diesel car, to move comfortably here and there. E.g. I like very much the beautiful diesel F11's of the Nordic forum members. There are some aspects of local taxation but let's leave it out now for simplicity.
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Good point.
For the cost, in some countries like mine diesel cars aren't more expensive because of marketing: people still believe petrol is cool and diesel is not. As foк the numbers, there is even no matter of saving on fuel but I just like my current number 6-7 l/100 more than 15-18 l/100 with the old 540i. Feel effectiveness.
For the performance, it depends much on owner's personality. Demand of a 22 year old guy driving countryside highways is the 550xi catless JB4 with methanol, to show up to friends and attract cheeks. Demand of a 40 year old guy living in large urban area with speed limit cameras is a diesel car, to move comfortably here and there. E.g. I like very much the beautiful diesel F11's of the Nordic forum members. There are some aspects of local taxation but let's leave it out now for simplicity.
In my country a Diesel car a little more expensive than the same petrol engine. i.e 535i vs 535d is €2500
Diesel is about 0.12 euro cheaper pr liter.
I would expect a 535i to use 10l/100km or more, and a 535d closer to 7l/100km for normal mixed driving.
If you drive both cars 100.000km.
The 535i uses 10.000 liters of fuel
And the 535d uses 7000 liters.
If they both used 7000l the saving for the diesel would be €840, but the petrol car used 3000l more fuel at €1,77 a liter, €5310 + €840 = €6150, minus the extra €2500 the diesel cost. making the total profit €3650 after 100.000km.
I never have my cars for 100.000km, not even 50.000km, so on the end I go for what I want.
I tried a diesel this time, but I think I might go petrol next time, even if I'm close to 40, I like a high revving petrol engine.

Wagons are a nordic thing, most brands sell more wagons than sedans, and more 4wd than 2wd.
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I tried a diesel this time, but I think I might go petrol next time, even if I'm close to 40, I like a high revving petrol engine.
So did I, because of the listed arguments, and a curiosity of running the modern advanced diesel car, and also because that was the thing I could easily afford. When I will reach the next point of my progress, I might consider the 650 xDrive next to a daily diesel buddy, quite the same way as you have arranged in your garage
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having had both I will share my two cents on Diesel vs Petrol.

Cost.
A Diesel car is usually more expensive than a petrol car to buy.
Diesel fuel is cheaper, but I guess unless you plan to have the car for many years and put many miles on it, you will not break even.

Performance.
Diesel: massive low end torque, short rev range, very little top end power.
NA Petrol: low low end torque, long rev range, power in the higher revband.
FI Petrol: medium low end torque, long rev range, most power is still in the higher revs.

A diesel car is great for driving around town, cruising on the highway, pulling stuff ect. but its a docile car, reacts a bit slower and the fun factor is not very high.
So if you are pulling stuff, or enjoy massive low end torque and a comfortable cruiser, diesel is something to consider.
If you like more sporty driving, screaming revs and a lot higher fun factor, petrol is the way to go.

Having driven an F11 diesel for the past 6 months, I do miss the 4000-8000 rpm range on my old M3 from time to time, but the massive torque from 1500-4000rpm is pretty addictive too.

The diesel sticker is more expensive, however in the US there are eco credits (anywhere from $500-$2000) that close the gap considerably

I'm going to reserve my final decision until I have a year of seat time in the oil burner, but first impressions is the car is anything but docile. To be honest, I found my 2008 M3 (standard transmission) almost annoying to drive in most situations because I had to rev the living shit out of it to get it to move. The handling and road manners were amazing, as was the acceleration one on the highway, but I drive in the real world, not on a track.

One thing I have noticed is how the 535d will accelerate from 60 to 90mph with a huge surge of smooth power... without a downshift.
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      11-16-2014, 10:18 AM   #15
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Now the reasonable question: could you please post pictures?
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The diesel sticker is more expensive, however in the US there are eco credits (anywhere from $500-$2000) that close the gap considerably

I'm going to reserve my final decision until I have a year of seat time in the oil burner, but first impressions is the car is anything but docile. To be honest, I found my 2008 M3 (standard transmission) almost annoying to drive in most situations because I had to rev the living shit out of it to get it to move. The handling and road manners were amazing, as was the acceleration one on the highway, but I drive in the real world, not on a track.

One thing I have noticed is how the 535d will accelerate from 60 to 90mph with a huge surge of smooth power... without a downshift.
Absolutely, I came from a e46 M3 smg, and normally using the lower half of the rev band the car did not have a lot of power, and you really had to go into the higher half of the rev band to have fun.
The diesel does have that strong low end torque and a surge of smooth endless power. But to be honest, despite the fake v8 sound, my ears aren't getting any aural pleasure in the diesel

congrats on the new car BTW, now some pictures please
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OK I know I need to post some pics... I will take some on the next decent day and try to figure out how to get them onto the forum.

I dont find the diesel sound bad at all... there is the faint whine of the turbo spooling up and a low, smooth burble. If anything I wish they had allowed more sound to come into the cabin. The LAST thing I would want is for fake sound to be piped into the car through the stereo speakers like they did in the M5. I know it's done in the new 911 as well, but that just seems cheesy and fake.

All cars are becoming more and more isolated and remote... my E39 530 sport stick was a much more connected drivers car. Not nearly as luxurious, but definitely more connected to the road. Even my 2013 328 vert with that wonderfully smooth six (that makes really nice sounds when pushed) is isolated from the road. It seems every new iteration of each model gets better... but loses some of the goodness that branded BMW "the ultimate driving machine".

I could not be happier with my new car, but I've decided to make it a point to go on a hunt to add a 993 vintage Carrera to my garage. Nothing connects you to the road better than the bump steer and throttle response of and older hand built 911.
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I could not be happier with my new car, but I've decided to make it a point to go on a hunt to add a 993 vintage Carrera to my garage. Nothing connects you to the road better than the bump steer and throttle response of and older hand built 911.
First, congrats !!!

I've said it few times, diesels get bad rap in North America for reasons I don't fully understand. Plenty of cars that aren't diesel have average or below average performance numbers (and noisy engines) and are still purchased over diesel by North American buyers.

But, if you manage to pull this off, vintage Carrera, and diesel 5 as a daily driver, then you'll really have it all, fun factor and sensible classy daily driver.
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As far as your stereo system, search the forum (or the "other" forum - don't remember where it was listed) for the professional sound settings...

It takes if from garbage to tolerable...


Actually, here they are... use it as a start off point and go from there...

Fader +2 towards rear
Treble +4
Bass 0
Surround off!!!
100Hz -2
200Hz -1
500Hz 0
1KHz +2
2KHz -3
5KHz +4
10KHz +6

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