[540.M5.550]

Car back in shop for the third time in three weeks for pulling to the right issue. Dealer can not figure out why it is pulling....they actually gave me my car back with the steering wheel off centered....right front overinflated and left front under inflated. Trying to normalizing the pulling to the right.

I am calling bmwna tomorrow. This is getting a little ridiculous.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by 540.M5.550

Car back in shop for the third time in three weeks for pulling to the right issue. Dealer can not figure out why it is pulling....they actually gave me my car back with the steering wheel off centered....right front overinflated and left front under inflated. Trying to normalizing the pulling to the right.

I am calling bmwna tomorrow. This is getting a little ridiculous.

Let me know how you make out. My car is back in today again too. I drove it on Friday with the shop foreman and saw the pull. Starting to lose faith as he said, at various times and in no particular order:

1. He's "not sure what the software patch installed by selling dealer (other than his) was for as that wouldn't affect the steering unless I had active steering.". Mind you, the car has already been in for service here once for 5 days. Didn't he think to check the service history?

2. Wants to rotate on "smaller wheels, as larger wheels tend to follow the crown more".

3. Wonders if it could be an "issue with one of the tires" as "different tires have different rolling resistance". Uh, I bought the car with the OE Goodyear Excellence RFT's and then THIS DEALER installed the Conti DWS's I have on there now on the OE wheels. Shouldn't they have accounted for that before?

4. Wants to drive another sport equipped 535 on same roads to see if it's the same. Yeah, so would I, let's go for it.

Not getting the warm and fuzzy here.

I also noted the typical dealer BS on my previous workorder:

1. Under steering pulls to the right they noted "could not replicate". Uh, I drove with the shop foreman before, during the 5 day stay, and he noted it.

2. Shifter would not go into Manual / Sport gate until it was pulled multiple times "could not replicate". Uh, I gave you a freaking VIDEO of the issue.

[JK479]

sounds like a mini nightmare... hope march prduction fixed this?

[RLM]

I reported in earlier posts that my car has the same pulling to the right issues. I went to my dealer and they called directly to the BMW Engineers who stated that the car had weak Camber bolts, this was 3 or 4 weeks ago, the Camber bolts arrived yesterday and my car is at the Dealership as we speak, I should have the car back after work today. I will let you know if this solves the problem.

[dr.mba]

That's interesting RLM! Would certainly like to hear the end of this story. Please keep us updated on what happens once this is done, thanks


MBA

[RLM]

I will keep everyone posted for sure! What I thought was intresting was my dealership didn't mention anything about software upgrade / re allignments or tires being the issue as everyone else has reported. I took the car in the dealership they called me back said per the BMW engineers the car had weak camber bolts. It's not like this is the second or third attempt by the dealership to fix this.

[jc031662]

It seems that BMW is making headway on the right hand pull problem as every production month goes by, but the problem isn't resolved yet. My first F10 was built in May-10 and it was awful. Every attempt to correct the problem failed. My second is a Nov-10 build. Direct, out-of-the-box, it was much better - just a mild drift. I took it in the the dealer last week for a few other things and asked if there were any new tweaks (software fixes. etc.) that had been released since I took delivery of the car in December. Apparently there were. A software update was done to the steering angle sensor. My car now drives dead straight - not even a hint of a pull - none of this "crown of the road" crap.

Now, if they could just do something with the jerky throttle, other than just a temporary reset...

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by jc031662

It seems that BMW is making headway on the right hand pull problem as every production month goes by, but the problem isn't resolved yet. My first F10 was built in May-10 and it was awful. Every attempt to correct the problem failed. My second is a Nov-10 build. Direct, out-of-the-box, it was much better - just a mild drift. I took it in the the dealer last week for a few other things and asked if there were any new tweaks (software fixes. etc.) that had been released since I took delivery of the car in December. Apparently there were. A software update was done to the steering angle sensor. My car now drives dead straight - not even a hint of a pull - none of this "crown of the road" crap.

Now, if they could just do something with the jerky throttle, other than just a temporary reset...

Do you have a part number for that software update?

[FG]

Got my car back from the dealer a few days ago and the pulling to the right ang vague center feel steering issues seem to be improved. I'd like to drive on some road surfaces and conditions (strong cross winds) that manifested these problems before I can definitively say whether the problems have been resolved.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by FG

Got my car back from the dealer a few days ago and the pulling to the right ang vague center feel steering issues seem to be improved. I'd like to drive on some road surfaces and conditions (strong cross winds) that manifested these problems before I can definitively say whether the problems have been resolved.

And.....what did they do?

[RLM]

Here is what they did to my car: re aligned the car, 3 of the 4 wheels where completely out of whack, they also put different/new/updated camber bolts on. I can report that the car does drive straight in town and on the highway! I need a little more time to be sure this is a permanent fix, I would like to see how it does in cross winds, and different surfaces, so far so good, but then again it’s only been 1 day

[dr.mba]

RLM, when you say 3 out of 4 wheels were out of whack do you mean camber wise or were they not balanced properly? I know it seems like a stupid question since you said it's alignment but I didn't want to assume. So the bolts are they going to be called back for or is this something someone has to complain about to get? You said they were ordered from Germany, do you have the part number? Or if you can upload your worksheet it would help a lot. Thanks and let us know how things go in the next few days. I am sure everyone with this issue is following this thread.

MBA

[dr.mba]

Oh, I forgot to ask. What is the build date of your vehicle if you don't mind me asking?

MBA

[RLM]

Build Date: Late December 2011 MODEL: 535xi

The Camber was out of Whack not the wheels. I attached the work order as well as the Camber adjust that were made. Hope this helps!

[jc031662]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Do you have a part number for that software update?

The work order is at home - I'll get the details and post them tonight.

[BimmerGuyFL]

LOL guys I am actually having this same problem on my 2010 E90 328i. Many alignments have been done and my car still pulls to the right side of the road. My steering wheel is perfectly centered but with just holding the steering wheel i can feel and see the car while accelerating and just crusing wanting to point to the right. It is very annoying. I ordered a brand new set of Continental Extreme DW tires that will be installed tomorrow. I hope new tires and having the car realigned will fix this problem. It is VERY annoying.

[wannes]

Originally Posted by RLM

Build Date: Late December 2011 MODEL: 535xi

The Camber was out of Whack not the wheels. I attached the work order as well as the Camber adjust that were made. Hope this helps!

So also the Xmodel as this problem ?! So it isn't the elektric powersteering!
I thought for a moment to trade my car for a xdrive model to avoid this overpowered steering wheel.....

[dr.mba]

Thanks RLM that should prove helpful. JC I will be waiting for your worksheet too so I go armed to the stealership!

MBA

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by RLM

Build Date: Late December 2011 MODEL: 535xi

The Camber was out of Whack not the wheels. I attached the work order as well as the Camber adjust that were made. Hope this helps!

Thanks man! My service advisor passed that along and they're going to try tomorrow.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by BimmerGuyFL

LOL guys I am actually having this same problem on my 2010 E90 328i. Many alignments have been done and my car still pulls to the right side of the road. My steering wheel is perfectly centered but with just holding the steering wheel i can feel and see the car while accelerating and just crusing wanting to point to the right. It is very annoying. I ordered a brand new set of Continental Extreme DW tires that will be installed tomorrow. I hope new tires and having the car realigned will fix this problem. It is VERY annoying.

I have a 328 loaner and it does pull to the right a bit, but to be honest, it's not the same thing.

[BimmerGuyFL]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

I have a 328 loaner and it does pull to the right a bit, but to be honest, it's not the same thing.

I know all cars will have a small amount of pulling to the right, Well not PULLING but more lift a drifting. My 328i pulls. So I just decided to ditch the run flats which cause the car to tramline a lot more than normal tires. Getting the new Continentals installed right now and having the car alignment checked and realigned if needed. Hope this helps my car out.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by BimmerGuyFL

I know all cars will have a small amount of pulling to the right, Well not PULLING but more lift a drifting. My 328i pulls. So I just decided to ditch the run flats which cause the car to tramline a lot more than normal tires. Getting the new Continentals installed right now and having the car alignment checked and realigned if needed. Hope this helps my car out.

I think that BMW's steering is set up in a way to be somewhat nervous to help initial turn in. And that makes it susceptible to pulling with the crown more. In my 328 loaner, it feels more natural. in the F10, it feels weird and violent. And it can happen on a flat road.