[mroll320]

It may seem a stupid question, but the same engine in the 6 series and x5 (313) is a 40d. So why is it a 535d? Tradition? And where can I get a 40d badge so I don't feel short changed... lol....

Martyn

[Jocky Wilson]

I know what you're saying. However, I'd ask why the 640D isn't a 635D? After all it is a 3 litre engine, not a 4 litre

[valbmw]

People like to be decepted
The 550 is actually 4.4l and the diesels are no bigger than 3l, however proudly misintroduced as 35, 40 and even M50d. Marketing helps people to build up wanted illusions. Who cares about the smaller initial breasts size when the silicon boobs are that big and gorgeous?

[mroll320]

cheers for the input guys, but it doesn`t answer the question......why different denomination? all the numbers now reflect power rather than engine size we know, so why when the same engine in 640d is a 535d in the f10?

[valbmw]

OK down to the question.
BMW N57D30 engines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57

The 535d has N57D30T0 (2010-2011) then N57D30T1 (2011- )
The 640d has N57D30T1 (2011- ) just labeled as 40.

Both cars share the same engine. Cars' labels are marketing. 535d differs from my 530d because has dual turbo vs. single turbo. The 640 has the equal N57D30T1 with dual turbo, 40 says it is F13, not the 630d of E63.

Same story is with the 640i F13 (same engine N55 as on 535i F10) vs. 630i E63. 40 means new generation, while on 5-series it is labeled 35. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N55

Hope this helps

[Igor_M5]

Originally Posted by Valery.BMW

OK down to the question.
BMW N57D30 engines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57

The 535d has N57D30T0 (2010-2011) then N57D30T1 (2011- )
The 640d has N57D30T1 (2011- ) just labeled as 40.

Both cars share the same engine. Cars' labels are marketing. 535d differs from my 530d because has dual turbo vs. single turbo. The 640 has the equal N57D30T1 with dual turbo, 40 says it is F13, not the 630d of E63.

Same story is with the 640i F13 (same engine N55 as on 535i F10) vs. 630i E63. 40 means new generation, while on 5-series it is labeled 35. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N55

Hope this helps

Something tells me its a lot more simple than that...

I just think that someone purchasing a 6, or 7 series wouldn't want to drive around with a 635/735 badge, at least not in the US because the bigger the number on your trunk, the bigger your cock is... right? Well at least thats the case here in NYC, lol.

I did however read that non-Americans show more respect for lower displacement vehicles, so thats why they rebadged the 528i as a 523i in Malaysia.

[valbmw]

Igor, actually there is quite popular option to order the 5, 6, 7-series with deleted badge. Wery often I don't see any, just brakes size and exhaust can reveal a model.

Here in Russia people like large engines. However the 2013 550ix stock new is 4,500,000 RUR (135,000 USD) and 2011 M5 new is 6,266,000 (190,000 USD). And we have a stupid horsepower tax in top of it.

So bigger is being perceived as kind of better, however people understand driving a car that cost far beyond 100k is like you feed government and dealer.

In Europe there is another problem: Norway has fantastic registration tax (ask Remmib) or Belgium just kills people with environment tax, so something more than 520 is kind of Dodge Viper for the locals.

Let's try to sort out the 523i-528i, BMW is giving us a hard life with it's variety of engines:
523i (Parts of Asia, Malay) has N52B25: 204 PS (150 kW; 201 hp)@6400, 250 N·m (184 lb·ft)@2750
528i (Asia/North America) has N52B30: 258 PS (190 kW; 254 hp)@6600, 310 N·m (229 lb·ft)@2600

523i (Europe) has N53B30-U0: 204 PS (150 kW; 201 hp)@6100, 270 N·m (199 lb·ft)@1500-4250
528i (Europe) has N53B30: 258 PS (190 kW; 254 hp)@6600, 310 N·m (229 lb·ft)@2600-5000

I mean, besides meaning of a generation, the ego is definitely the reason to apply upgraded label, I agree. However it is not the main one.

[HighlandPete]

I'm now lost to BMW numbering, used to understand it, but it has to be marketing.

An F30 320d in Europe is 'rebadged' 328d in the US, our higher output 2.0d bi-turbo is only a 325d in Europe. What would that model be if introduced to the US? 329d? No space for it is there, unless the 330d became some other number? . Oh, wait a minute, the 330d could be a 335d in the US and the 335d (European model) a 340d in the US.

I may be messing, but that sort of puzzle must be going through the marketing department minds in BMW.

HighlandPete

[valbmw]

I fully agree, Pete BMW label differently the cars of the same platform (F10, F30) with the same volume (3-liter, 2-liter) but depending on engine's modification (power output, number of turbos), LCI etc.

Governments like to mess up with ecology (Euro 5, 6) while people still need some power to move the 2-ton vehicle full of gadgets, HUD's and other toys. Too many engines, too few bodies. And the factory probably wants to keep people thinking they are buying something new and better.

However marketing does it strange: new 320 is already 325/328, new 630 is 640, like Nokia phones were numbered bigger with every new model.

[mroll320]

And there's me thinking it could be traditional in the UK. The 535d has become almost iconic over the years.

[accordRE]

You can basically think of the two last numbers as an indication to how much power the engine has. Higher number= Higher Power output. Simples

Same with Mercedes too

[valbmw]

Generally yes, with some exceptions like: the 2014 BMW 535d in USA is a single-turbo (the older one was dual-turbo) with 255 hp (the older one had 313 hp or so). And formally it has less power than my 2011 530d with 258 hp.

Reference:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...n/Default.aspx
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

Anyway, your logic is correct, and there is still a lot of room till BMW 599i or 599d

[mroll320]

Originally Posted by accordRE

You can basically think of the two last numbers as an indication to how much power the engine has. Higher number= Higher Power output. Simples

Same with Mercedes too

But the 40d in the 6,x6 and x5 are the same power as a 535d , so this doesn't work.... Hence my original question.... So not so simples!

[remmib]

Good question, but I guess it's just marketing.

[mroll320]

Originally Posted by remmib

Good question, but I guess it's just marketing.

If it was marketing the bigger number would be the choice? There's no logic to it?

Where can I get a 40d badge!?

[mroll320]

I still go with tradition and heritage of the 'legendary' 535d!

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by mroll320

I still go with tradition and heritage of the 'legendary' 535d!

Just as well as we don't have a 540d.... "yet".

Interesting to note BMW haven't always used the highest number possible. My E39 540i had the 4.4 litre engine, so should really have been a 545i, as BMW later numbered the E60 with the same size engine.

HighlandPete