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04-13-2016, 08:48 AM | #46 |
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Far from telling you how to spend your money , but in my opinion, F10 would've complemented your M3 better, especially since you're using it as a family car. But, good luck, hope it works out the way you expected it to.
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No way, GS350 and E class, just no way, not even close, night and day these two. I agree with previous post on Audi and F10, it's very close when comparing the handling of these two, haven't tried CTS, so can't say. |
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"It is a beautiful car, just too small for my taste but great milestone nonetheless!"
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I think I could make an exception for the G12
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04-13-2016, 11:49 AM | #51 | |
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The CTS is good as well, it's a must drive if you're talking about the V. I haven't driven the base. |
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Current competitors for the F10 are:
Lexus GS - not real competition since it's performance is more Lincoln than BMW Merc E class - Comparable, but (my feeling) Mercs are associated with old people. Cadillac CTS - Again, comparable, but the fact that the CTS can still be had with the "gold package" nauseates me and brings it to ridiculously tacky level. It may perform comparably, but really it's a caricature of modern luxury. Cadillac needs to learn, modern buyers have taste, you can't slather a car with gold and be taken seriously. Audi A6/S6 - Nice interiors, but it's exterior styling (if you want to call it that) is more Camry than luxury sedan. Infiniti and Acura have models they think are in the league, but no, just no, sorry. Overall, the only comparisons for me are with previous gen BMWs. Just my opinion. The F10 is a good looking car, comfy, and packed with tech. All pluses. My complaints are in the handling and departure from being a niche enthusiast focused car to being a more homogenous car built for more sales (which worked, since it has record sales). |
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The F10/11 moved the game on in my opinion. A little bigger than I'd have preferred, but with the right options is better than the E39, having lived with both for over 3-years each. I'm in the F11 wagon, superb vehicle IMO, I see why Top Gear positions it as "Best in Class" and has the following to say of the F11. Quote:
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04-13-2016, 03:04 PM | #54 | |
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I think for both, 3 and 5 series, you can still have sporty BMW that's going to make any enthusiast happy. You just have to work harder at configuring it (and maybe pay more) than in the past. I believe this is mostly due to fact that they wanted to appeal to wider range of customers. As you said, numbers back them up, I don't recall ever seeing more BMWs on the road. |
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04-13-2016, 03:25 PM | #55 | |
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Even our key motor magazine AutoCar marked the E60 down to a '4 star' car due to the ride issues. Quite a blow for BMW as users echoed the same thinking in many of the owner reviews. E9x models didn't fare much better, also received user criticism. The softer, more mature ride and handling, is much better suited to our roads over here. The cars are definitely specification sensitive, I opted for Adaptive Drive as that changed the F10/11 in to a much more competent and satisfying car to drive. What is more important, it works on our poor quality UK roads, the roads I drive daily. |
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04-13-2016, 04:07 PM | #57 | |
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Recently I spent few days in 2016 228xi, and was thinking, what a nice fun little car to drive this is. It feels very well put together, drives (and shocking for 4 cyl. engine) sounds good in the cabin (not that great once you're outside). But as fun, nimble and light as it feels, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I found myself missing the size, space and overall "smoothness" of 5 series. |
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I came from an E39 540i (touring) with a EU weight rating of 1845kg, the E61 535d (touring) which I was wanting to buy, was rated at 1834kg. My current F11 535i (touring) is rated at 1845kg, the same weight as the much smaller E39 540i, which incidentally has a very similar performance as the F11 535i. For me the E39, E61 and F11 (I compare) are almost identical weights, perhaps why I see little difference in the often criticised size/weight issue. I had M-tech suspension on my E39, the Adaptive Drive option makes the F11 just as agile as the E39, plus there is a choice of suspension modes. |
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The only reason I got an F10, if I'm honest, was because a drunk driver killed my E60. I was perfectly content waiting until next year to order a G30 (pending a test drive, of course) |
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I agree that the exterior styling of the Audi A6/S6 is boring, but performance and handling are much more important, and the exterior isn't ugly. Easily beating the F10 M Sport in handling. The Audi really shrinks around you and feels more nimble than the F10. The problem with Audi is actually the lease deals, which is the reason I didn't go for it. |
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P.S. Another reason I think of Lexus as a "nice" car and not a "performance" car is simple. One of the things I do love about BMW is that the platform is shared with NOTHING else. There isn't a cheapass car out there that my car is a rebadged version of, it is simply a BMW. The only car to share a platform with any BMW is Rolls Royce (it shares the 7 series platform and some mechanicals), and you could do a lot worse than that. I could have gotten an Audi as well, a buddy is a partner at an Audi dealership, however, they are FUGLY. Besides, I still chuckle about owning a car from VAG (call me immature, whatever). For those that don't know VAG = Volkswagen Auto Group, which includes VW, AUdi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini. We have a splash screen on startup that says "BMW", a friend had a fun VW - the R32, and even he laughed every time the car started and "VAG" came across his NAV screen. No thanks Last edited by PJinCA; 04-13-2016 at 06:56 PM.. |
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2013 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport 0-60 mph 5.4 | Quarter mile 13.8
2011 BMW 535i non-Msport 0-60 mph 5.5 | Quarter mile 13.9 Based on the above, I highly doubt the Lexus F sport "out performs" an F10 535 M-Sport. Let's be real, it's still a Lexus. Sorry, it's only 0.1 secs faster than a non-Msport. |
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