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      07-06-2011, 12:23 PM   #1
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2012 535d/540d?

Will 2012 bring the long awaited 5 series diesels to the US?
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      07-06-2011, 02:24 PM   #2
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      07-06-2011, 05:41 PM   #3
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Such a shame because the 6 cylinder turbo diesels are so good!!!
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They are bringing a hybrid to the US in December.
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      07-07-2011, 01:07 AM   #5
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Hybrid, waste of time when the diesels already get the job done.
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Europe version of the 2012 535d (not 540d) will get 313hp and 630Nm.
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I'm praying for that every day.
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      07-07-2011, 08:59 AM   #8
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They are bringing a hybrid to the US in December.
Needless complexity. US obsession with hybrids is idiotic at best.
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      07-07-2011, 12:23 PM   #9
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I heard the rumors a year or so ago...waited and then heard nothing more.So I now drive a Bluetec.BMW lost at least one *certain* sale by dithering....mine.
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I heard the rumors a year or so ago...waited and then heard nothing more.So I now drive a Bluetec.BMW lost at least one *certain* sale by dithering....mine.
I did the same thing, waited for the 535/540d, but in the end I went with the 550 instead. I don't understand the U.S. obsession with hybirds over diesels. I would rather buy a 535d verse a 535h.
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      07-08-2011, 11:06 AM   #11
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Needless complexity. US obsession with hybrids is idiotic at best.
A hybrid technology is a needed step between the currently outdated fossil fuel combustion technology and the future fully electric-powered engines. It gives the car engineers the necessary practical experience of perfecting the electric propulsion while simultaneously giving general population the currently unmatched range and refueling speed of fossil fuel-based engines. You should think first before throwing out such baseless statements
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A hybrid technology is a needed step between the currently outdated fossil fuel combustion technology and the future fully electric-powered engines. It gives the car engineers the necessary practical experience of perfecting the electric propulsion while simultaneously giving general population the currently unmatched range and refueling speed of fossil fuel-based engines. You should think first before throwing out such baseless statements
Let me clarify: the complexity inherent in today's hybrid autos is interesting academically, perhaps philosophically -- but your average US consumer does not need a hybrid vehicle to achieve the same economic benefit in increased fuel mileage that they offer. Meanwhile, that is the primary benefit that's being marketed to us.

While we figure out if an all electric future is viable, I am of the opinion that the United States' general populous would be better served by wider deployment of diesel fuel infrastructure, and the broad selection of diesel powered vehicles the rest of the world currently enjoys.

People in California and misled tree huggers everywhere else should feel free to choose the more expensive, complex option - as long as the /choice/ is available to the US consumer.

I do not consider my comment baseless - perhaps a bit brief/harsh - much like your last sentence.
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outdated fossil fuel combustion technology )
Talk about totally baseless statements.
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      07-08-2011, 05:34 PM   #14
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Also, waiting for the 535d! Will NEVER buy a hybird!

And where does one think we will get enough Electricity for " the future fully electric-powered engines"? Rolling brown outs are solved in CA? Not!
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And where does one think we will get enough Electricity for " the future fully electric-powered engines"? Rolling brown outs are solved in CA? Not!
Shhh! Don't you know electricity is created by rainbow eating unicorns?

Seriously, though, the IC engine still hasn't hit it's peak yet.
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Talk about totally baseless statements.
They are not outdated. Just doomed.
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Battery-Electric and Hybrid cars have and never will work. Not in the real world. Hydrogen-Electric is the way forwards.
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Battery-Electric and Hybrid cars have and never will work. Not in the real world. Hydrogen-Electric is the way forwards.
Based on what? I mean there are cars that work today with these technologies.
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Electric cars suffer from lack of range. This is not a minor issue. It is a fundamental limitation of existing battery technology. A minimum order of magnitude improvement is required to bring the energy density of a battery close to that of gasoline. Absent a technology breakthrough we will have to be content with maximum range under 50 miles before falling back on gasoline backup or recharging. With current batteries, charging takes much longer than filling a gas tank so a network of charging stations all over the place doesn't solve the problem. Even with better batteries, the increased demand for electricity resulting from an electric fleet would drive up the price of electricity negating the savings, to the extent there are any to begin with. Coal fired thermal stations are no cleaner than gasoline.

These are hard limitations and I don't see any resolution on the horizon. Electric cars are a manifestation of environmental politics, not a response to a market demand.

They will be gone in ten years, a distant memory.
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Battery-Electric and Hybrid cars have and never will work. Not in the real world. Hydrogen-Electric is the way forwards.
Based on what? I mean there are cars that work today with these technologies.
Hydrogen is the most abudant element in the universe and we can now harness its energy and harness it well! Take the Honda FCX Clarity. An ordinary Family Saloon car. Or Sedan if your American at home. It has 130hp which is right on the money for a family saloon (or Sedan if your American at home) and it is pretty much a normal Honda! You put Hydrogen in to if like you do Petrol (or gasoline if your American at home) or Diesel. The car then turns it into juicy electric energy and you drive away! Hydrogen is the future because its just like the car of today. The range is good, perhaps slightly less than fossil fueled cars but this is the very first step and so will improve like our gas powered engines have now. The only emissions are Hydrogen and Oxygen, H2O - Water. There is only 1 moving part so it will be easy to service and cost less to make than ordinary cars do.
You got any better ideas?
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Hybrid cars have been working over here in the US for over a decade now. They certainly have proven themselves. I've owned many desiels and the 535d is my dream vehicle, but I also own a hybrid. In certain driving situations a hybrid is better than a diesel (mostly city driving for instance).
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These are hard limitations and I don't see any resolution on the horizon. Electric cars are a manifestation of environmental politics, not a response to a market demand.

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