[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Well this really puts me in a tuff situation. I plan on ordering my F10 around June for August delivery. Puts me close for the 2012-2013 cut off.

I wonder if the hp gains from the N55 is purely a software thing or is there some hardware differences.

Alan

I have the same "problem". I am planning on ordering my F11 in April for a delivery around June/July... I would hate it if I would miss out on some technological improvement in the car because of a few months!

I will talk to the dealer and ask what are my options but I will be monitoring this page closely. Thanks for your inputs!

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by rhinosaur

I have the same "problem". I am planning on ordering my F11 in April for a delivery around June/July... I would hate it if I would miss out on some technological improvement in the car because of a few months!

I will talk to the dealer and ask what are my options but I will be monitoring this page closely. Thanks for your inputs!

Hey rhinosaur. 535d received the new engine for 2012 model. 313 hp 630 nm. same as the 640D. And no changes for 2013 for the 535d. And this engine is faster than the 299 hp 600nm 2011 mod.

[remmib]

Originally Posted by AMP

Per BMW NA's 2012 Ordering Guide dated 2/18/2012.

F10 MY 2012 started production in 9/2011 and will end production 6/2012.


Per the Canadian F10 M5 ordering guide:



The F10 will be a 2013 model starting with July 2012 production. All of BMW NA's published documents point to this fact. These cars will deliver in September, but the actual builds will start in July.

Isn't this just regarding the M5 for NA?

[Alan l.]

Is the M5 built alongside the regular 5 series? If it is then it would make sense that they make the switch to 2013 all togther. If not then no idea.

Alan

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

Hey rhinosaur. 535d received the new engine for 2012 model. 313 hp 630 nm. same as the 640D. And no changes for 2013 for the 535d. And this engine is faster than the 299 hp 600nm 2011 mod.

I am aware of that, bimmer man. My issue is if the iDrive is being overhauled and I would hate to miss out on a new generation of the car's board computer/electronics because of a few months...

Is there any reliable info about a big change in the iDrive for the 2013 model?

[AMP]

The M5 is built on the same line as all of the other F10 cars. They will all switch production at the same time. Furthermore, the body electronics are the same between the two vehicles.

In fact almost the entire BMW line will have a production change in July. Some countries determine model years in different ways, but what North America calls model year 2013 will start with production on 7/1/2012. More info on what's changning will become concrete when the F01 refresh is revealed in the coming weeks.

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by AMP

The M5 is built on the same line as all of the other F10 cars. They will all switch production at the same time. Furthermore, the body electronics are the same between the two vehicles.

In fact almost the entire BMW line will have a production change in July. Some countries determine model years in different ways, but what North America calls model year 2013 will start with production on 7/1/2012. More info on what's changning will become concrete when the F01 refresh is revealed in the coming weeks.

I'll just add that for Germany the 2013 model starts production in September and the earliest deliveries will be in October 2012.

Does anyone know if there are any big changes in the pipeline for 2013 as regards car electronics and board computer, such as the big overhaul that BMW did to the iDrive's hardware and software at the end of 2008/2009?

[sulai]

Hi,

I am from Saudi Arabia and I just ordered my 530i two weeks ago and the production will start at 14th of April and the dealer said that the model will be 2013 :S he even talked to the factory to make sure ?

either we will get the 2013 early or the dealer just playing with the models number

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by sulai

Hi,

I am from Saudi Arabia and I just ordered my 530i two weeks ago and the production will start at 14th of April and the dealer said that the model will be 2013 :S he even talked to the factory to make sure ?

either we will get the 2013 early or the dealer just playing with the models number

You get 2012 mod, for sure.

[remmib]

Originally Posted by sulai

Hi,

I am from Saudi Arabia and I just ordered my 530i two weeks ago and the production will start at 14th of April and the dealer said that the model will be 2013 :S he even talked to the factory to make sure ?

either we will get the 2013 early or the dealer just playing with the models number

They may call it a 2013 model, but I highly doubt it will be different to the European 2012 model.

[rbk1115]

All, thanks for all of the information.

My wife and I are trying to decide between the Audi A6 3.0T Prestige/20" Sport Package and an M-Sport 535i. I think it might be worth the wait to put this purchase on the back burner for a few months to see what happens when the F10 M5 hits the USA. I know that when I ordered my 2009 E90 M3, the E90 3-Series got the LCI changes around the same time. We would like to purchase a car as up to date as possible.

[Alan l.]

AMP - do you work for BMW or have access to this information?

I seriously hope you are right because I can def. hold off on my order until July if that will be changes to the F10.

Alan

[Grover432]

Originally Posted by joey5622

so rumor is a touch pad and more hp for the 2013?? that's pretty annoying to hear.... wish they didn't change much from the 2012..

Why?? If you want next years innovations in your car, just make sure you always purchase at the start of the model year for your country. But then you'll see changes the following year anyway.

In Canada, waiting for a 2012 535xi meant seeing an improvement in the hesitation issue, but we can't get ARS and Dynamic Drive for 2012. If we want that option, we need to move to a 550xi. So not always good news.

I watched a BMW video on the M5 recently which had an engineer explaining the technology of the new engine. He said that the next year would see a change to the Valvetronic system and the induction system in the 550 to improve performance and fuel economy. Currently the M5 is rated at slightly lower consumption than the 550x drive.

[positiveions]

Keep the news coming

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by AMP

The M5 is built on the same line as all of the other F10 cars. They will all switch production at the same time. Furthermore, the body electronics are the same between the two vehicles.

In fact almost the entire BMW line will have a production change in July. Some countries determine model years in different ways, but what North America calls model year 2013 will start with production on 7/1/2012. More info on what's changning will become concrete when the F01 refresh is revealed in the coming weeks.

Hey have info for the model year change, you're right it will change now. BMW Europe says.

Production for the month when a model change year is a key issue. We have had a while model year change in the September / October, both BMW and MINI. This is changing now.

From this year, starting a new model year from July-production (August-production E70 / E71 / F25). This means that 07 08/2012 marks the start of production for 2013 model year, both BMW and MINI.

Two exceptions for just 2013 model year is, however, F30 and R60. These models replace the first model year to 2013 from 11/2012.

F31 and E84 LCI launch direct high as 2013 model.

[Alan l.]

this is good news! Just need to find out what changes (if any) will impact the F10 line up

Alan

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

this is good news! Just need to find out what changes (if any) will impact the F10 line up

Alan

For F10 nothing visible, they said. But you know what it is. Secret??
But I expect the engine changes. That BMW will make 50i and 35i engines different output? 407 hp 550i, 750i and 650i Grand Cupe 450 hp. 306 hp have 535i, and 640i, 740i, get 320hp, this is strange, here I think that something is happening, just a feeling I have. Comes with info if I get to hear some more news.

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

Hey have info for the model year change, you're right it will change now. BMW Europe says.

Production for the month when a model change year is a key issue. We have had a while model year change in the September / October, both BMW and MINI. This is changing now.

From this year, starting a new model year from July-production (August-production E70 / E71 / F25). This means that 07 08/2012 marks the start of production for 2013 model year, both BMW and MINI.

Two exceptions for just 2013 model year is, however, F30 and R60. These models replace the first model year to 2013 from 11/2012.

F31 and E84 LCI launch direct high as 2013 model.

Quite strange.
The reason for September changes was because most factories closed in August for the European vacation season, so when they reopened in September the cars were the next model year.
Non-German factories would change a month later because the new spec engines or other German made parts would need that time to get to those factories after starting production in September.

To keep US 3Series stocks up Rosslyn South Africa would produce 3 Series at over-full capacity during this time because thy would only close over December, the usual South African vacation month.


Now if they change in July they will only produce during July then close in August then reopen in September ?

[Alan l.]

any updates?

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

any updates?

Known changes from July 2012 Production

1) Windscreen / windshield - all models ( Probably just a supplier change)
2) New Light/Rain sensor - all models ( From 7 Series Facelift)
3) 4 Internal electric control module changes ( Owners will probably not notice anything)
4) M5 get B&O sound system option - possibly some other models aswell
5) M5 gets Ceramic Brake option

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

Known changes from July 2012 Production

The 2013 model is in fact starting production after July 2012. Today I learned from my vendor that if I ask for a delivery for mid-September, then the car will start production two to three weeks before and it will for sure be the 2013 model (whatever novelties it brings).
BMW is having some really impressive response times! Two to three weeks internal lead time is really world class in the automotive industry.

[Alan l.]

^^ sweet. Now we just have to see what other changes (if any) is going into the 2013 cars. The facelifted 7 series is suppose to debut in the China auto show this week so we might get more information about changing in the bmw line up.

Alan