[scott135i]

To be clear here... A 2011-2013 550 on bms stage 1 will make the same or more power than a stock 2014+. A 2014 bms stage 1 will make more power than a 2011-2013 bms stage 1, most likely. And finally a stage 2 2011-2013 will make considerably more power than a stage 1 2014+... Likely at least 30hp and 30trq to the wheels more.

Once someone dynos a stock and stage 1 2014+ on a dynojet, I'll do the same once I get bms stage 2. I'll even do it the same day if someone is local to the tri-state area for no other reason than sharing with the greater forum at large.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by scott135i

To be clear here... A 2011-2013 550 on bms stage 1 will make the same or more power than a stock 2014+. A 2014 bms stage 1 will make more power than a 2011-2013 bms stage 1, most likely. And finally a stage 2 2011-2013 will make considerably more power than a stage 1 2014+... Likely at least 30hp and 30trq to the wheels more.

Once someone dynos a stock and stage 1 2014+ on a dynojet, I'll do the same once I get bms stage 2. I'll even do it the same day if someone is local to the tri-state area for no other reason than sharing with the greater forum at large.

2 bad terry just announced that current satge 1 BMS does not work at all on N63 TU engines and he will develop a fix only after we get stage 2 on N63 motors =D

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

2 bad terry just announced that current satge 1 BMS does not work at all on N63 TU engines and he will develop a fix only after we get stage 2 on N63 motors =D

What he said. I currently have a beta stage 1 for the N63tu. Just picked the car up from Terry.
Totally different set up then the N63 stage 1 set up.

Car feels totally different. Vs before. I mean considerably.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by combatbmw

What he said. I currently have a beta stage 1 for the N63tu. Just picked the car up from Terry.
Totally different set up then the N63 stage 1 set up.

Car feels totally different. Vs before. I mean considerably.

now you need to go to 1/4 track and beat my stage 1 1/4 record =D

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by scott135i

To be clear here... A 2011-2013 550 on bms stage 1 will make the same or more power than a stock 2014+. A 2014 bms stage 1 will make more power than a 2011-2013 bms stage 1, most likely. And finally a stage 2 2011-2013 will make considerably more power than a stage 1 2014+... Likely at least 30hp and 30trq to the wheels more.

Once someone dynos a stock and stage 1 2014+ on a dynojet, I'll do the same once I get bms stage 2. I'll even do it the same day if someone is local to the tri-state area for no other reason than sharing with the greater forum at large.

How do u figure a 13 and a 14 both with stage 1 will be comparable as u say most likely more power. The tu has more factory hp. So it's starting at a higher amount. Before any changes.

A 13 with stage 2 and 14 with stage 1 should be very close.
I'm dynoing with Terry next week hopefully and we shall see.

Like I said before. The 13 isn't 400 crank. Terrys 13 put 392 stock at the wheels.
So BMW severely undrated it. The only way you are correct is if the 14 was rated correctly or over rated . Because with a 20% drive train loss. The 14 stock should be around 356 rwhp.

Like I'm not arguing with you guys I'm just speaking numbers here. The 13 lost 8hp total from what BMWs 400hp rated motor.
So if the 14 is similar... 445-10hp is 435. Stock wheel hp. So with stage one added should be even more 465+ wheels.
Again I'm going off of the 13s gains and factory drive train loss of around 10.
Who knows maybe the 13 is the beast due to their claim or 400hp being totally false.

Hope this makes sense
Marc

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

now you need to go to 1/4 track and beat my stage 1 1/4 record =D

Black ur Awd newb stop trollin me. Haha.
That video u posted u never answered my question on the other forum.. What tranny mode were u in from those rolls?

[scott135i]

Originally Posted by combatbmw

How do u figure a 13 and a 14 both with stage 1 will be comparable as u say most likely more power. The tu has more factory hp. So it's starting at a higher amount. Before any changes.

A 13 with stage 2 and 14 with stage 1 should be very close.
I'm dynoing with Terry next week hopefully and we shall see.

Like I said before. The 13 isn't 400 crank. Terrys 13 put 392 stock at the wheels.
So BMW severely undrated it. The only way you are correct is if the 14 was rated correctly or over rated . Because with a 20% drive train loss. The 14 stock should be around 356 rwhp.

Like I'm not arguing with you guys I'm just speaking numbers here. The 13 lost 8hp total from what BMWs 400hp rated motor.
So if the 14 is similar... 445-10hp is 435. Stock wheel hp. So with stage one added should be even more 465+ wheels.
Again I'm going off of the 13s gains and factory drive train loss of around 10.
Who knows maybe the 13 is the beast due to their claim or 400hp being totally false.

Hope this makes sense
Marc

Terry's update makes sense. I drove in a stage 1 2014 and it felt slower than my stage 1 2013. The fact that it wasn't adding power now makes sense. I'm sure with the update added its feeling great. So my point still is, the stage 2 n63 made 537 rwtrq... I'm willing to bet your stage 1 2014 won't make that much - that's all. And if it does, that's amazing. Color me impressed if so.

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by scott135i

Terry's update makes sense. I drove in a stage 1 2014 and it felt slower than my stage 1 2013. The fact that it wasn't adding power now makes sense. I'm sure with the update added its feeling great. So my point still is, the stage 2 n63 made 537 rwtrq... I'm willing to bet your stage 1 2014 won't make that much - that's all. And if it does, that's amazing. Color me impressed if so.

The last tune labeled ar is a tune that was extreme and overly aggressive. They was word for word what Terry said it the car also pulled timing twice in that run.
Which means it wasn't safe and isn't something that he is going to put out
2nd to last run was the true stage 2 that he is running currently on his car. Which was 448 //517
Again no one is fighting you hear. I'm just going off of the numbers and what Terry told me.

My car also has catless downpipes so the dyno were gna run will be higher then it should be.

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by combatbmw

Black ur Awd newb stop trollin me. Haha.
That video u posted u never answered my question on the other forum.. What tranny mode were u in from those rolls?

paddle shifters

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

paddle shifters

Lol u use paddles to shift.

[scott135i]

Originally Posted by combatbmw

The last tune labeled ar is a tune that was extreme and overly aggressive. They was word for word what Terry said it the car also pulled timing twice in that run.
Which means it wasn't safe and isn't something that he is going to put out
2nd to last run was the true stage 2 that he is running currently on his car. Which was 448 //517
Again no one is fighting you hear. I'm just going off of the numbers and what Terry told me.

My car also has catless downpipes so the dyno were gna run will be higher then it should be.

Yes. Your Catless dps will definitely skew the numbers by a large margin. I was comparing tune only vs tune only.

And the last aggressive run was pulling timing but will likely be perfect for 93 octane + 100 octane or octane booster mix. Terry was running 91 + octane booster which is a ways off.

Again, well see one someone runs the updated n63tu stage 1 without Catless.

Point here is, the new engine changes are clearly superior, bringing it in line with more with the m5 engine setup, so it should and will make more power. However, I think a stage 1 n63 will beat a stock n63tu and a stage 2 n63 will beat a stage 1 only n63tu.

Plus, I think you're rwd, right? So your track times won't be in line w/ the awd anyhow. A good measure will be 60-130mph as per standards.

[Alan l.]

If Terry sends his revised TU S1 tune to me I can meet up with Scott and BB to do some 'testing' since my car doesn't have downpipes. I would be interested in doing some dyno runs together so we have an apples to apples comparison. Same day, same dyno, same gas, same mods etc...

BB needs to be running 93 with standard bms boost to really show how the motors compare. Not his plus 4psi and race gas combo he likes to run dominating every race lol

Alan

[PhilT3]

We need to get some STOCK dyno runs of the 2014. Does anyone have any?

BMW may have realized how under-rated the 2013's were so MAYBE their new claim of 445 is more marketing than actual changes....??

Who knows what the differences between the M5's drivetrain and the 550's?

[Alan l.]

Its more than just marketing with the new updated motor. There was a document floating around talking about exactly what changed in the 445hp motor mechanically and its pretty significant. BMS also said that the car also made more boost stock vs the old motor.

Alan

[scott135i]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

If Terry sends his revised TU S1 tune to me I can meet up with Scott and BB to do some 'testing' since my car doesn't have downpipes. I would be interested in doing some dyno runs together so we have an apples to apples comparison. Same day, same dyno, same gas, same mods etc...

BB needs to be running 93 with standard bms boost to really show how the motors compare. Not his plus 4psi and race gas combo he likes to run dominating every race lol

Alan

Sounds like a plan. BB has catted AR downpipes. I don't. But I do have m5 mufflers but they don't add any power, so Alan mine and yours will be close, minus the fact that I am xi and you're rwd but let's see.

The n63tu has different turbos I think as well, slightly revised in addition to variable vale timing and running more boost.

Apples to apples no doubt the tu is superior. Excited to see net result since Terry thinks a S1 Tu will match a s2 regular n63. That would make a tu stage 2 have more power than stock m5's :-) with tune only. Add downpipes and race gas and wow.

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by PhilT3

We need to get some STOCK dyno runs of the 2014. Does anyone have any?

BMW may have realized how under-rated the 2013's were so MAYBE their new claim of 445 is more marketing than actual changes....??

Who knows what the differences between the M5's drivetrain and the 550's?

I agree.
That's been my argument. If the 2014 is rated correctly then there should be no change vs a 2013

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by scott135i

Sounds like a plan. BB has catted AR downpipes. I don't. But I do have m5 mufflers but they don't add any power, so Alan mine and yours will be close, minus the fact that I am xi and you're rwd but let's see.

The n63tu has different turbos I think as well, slightly revised in addition to variable vale timing and running more boost.

Apples to apples no doubt the tu is superior. Excited to see net result since Terry thinks a S1 Tu will match a s2 regular n63. That would make a tu stage 2 have more power than stock m5's :-) with tune only. Add downpipes and race gas and wow.

What are stock m5s putting down.?

Terry and I are going on Thursday. So we'll see.
I'm hoping they under rated it like they did the n63.
If so should be making some power.

Right now my car does loose traction in 2nd gear at 30mph so I'm sure it's putting down some power.

I'll keep I all posted.

[scott135i]

Originally Posted by combatbmw

What are stock m5s putting down.?

Terry and I are going on Thursday. So we'll see.
I'm hoping they under rated it like they did the n63.
If so should be making some power.

Right now my car does loose traction in 2nd gear at 30mph so I'm sure it's putting down some power.

I'll keep I all posted.

Stock M5's have put down: 527 rwhp and 476 rwtrq -

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Stock M6 on 91 octane - 503 rwhp, 488 rwtrq :

http://www.bimmerpost.com/tag/f10-m5-dyno-figures/


Also, my buddy with a S1 2011 N63 550i RWD spins the tires in 2nd. All that torque and no LSD :-/ I just bought a 1987 325is with 66k original miles... damn car has a LSD but new non-M's don't, it's messed up. All RWD BMW's should....

Can you post of a video of a 60-130 run, or just a speedo shot accelerating? Nothing scientific, just curious.

[combatbmw]

I have one with out stage one.

Stock with er downpipes right after install. Litterly coming off freeway on my way back from picking it up. It felt much faster few days after ecu fully adjusted.
Video is sports+ with stock tranny settings not in sports auto. As you can see. Just in D.

[ARC550]

Nice RPM's

[badblack550xi]

time to post my speedo

[combatbmw]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

time to post my speedo

Ok let me know, ill post the speedo of my r1 after

Beeee ATCH