Electric Steering

CBS · 03-06-2014, 01:52 PM

New F10 Member, traded in my E60. Getting used to electric steering with All Seasons and RFT.

Question: I'm looking for suggestions on how to increase turn-in response and handling without spending a lot. Another thread suggests to ditch the RFT's and get a space saver spare. I'm leaning towards that.

Background: I track my E90 M3. The F10 is my DD but I would like to increase it's handling ability.

Thanks,

Chris

BimmerMsport · 03-06-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CBS

New F10 Member, traded in my E60. Getting used to electric steering with All Seasons and RFT.

Question: I'm looking for suggestions on how to increase turn-in response and handling without spending a lot. Another thread suggests to ditch the RFT's and get a space saver spare. I'm leaning towards that.

Background: I track my E90 M3. The F10 is my DD but I would like to increase it's handling ability.

Thanks,

Chris

I would suggest a custom alignment to add to the non-runflat tires. A slight toe out will increase steering response.

Another suggestion would be to swap out your sway bars with the the M5/650 or H&R sway bars.

Akkord29 · 03-06-2014, 04:20 PM

The M5 front sway won't fit if you have electric steering since the M5 uses hydraulic.

AP · 03-07-2014, 05:57 AM

This is the one area that I think BMW messed up with this car. I came form a E39 msport with 18Inch wheels and felt that the steering on that was nigh on perfect.
Emissions rules are casuing this, they have had to go with electric steering to reduce the amount of energy the car is using - I get that, but in the process, they've destroyed what BMW were already good at. Ultimate driviing machine, er... not quite so sure now.

Obviously sport mode tightens up the steering a bit but its nowhere close. Also I've noticed that if you completly turn off DSC in comfort mode, the steering feels heavier (presumably what it is in sport mode.). Whether you want to drive with DSC completetly off is something to ponder about.

If the F10 had the steering feel and handling of the E39 msport, it would be a fantastic car. Steering lets down what is otherwise a very good car.

Sjoerd · 03-07-2014, 09:13 AM

I have IAS; steering feel is tons better than the regular setup. Also changed the sway bar to front M5 and rear M550d ones.

In the end it is a heavy boat so never expect a great steering feel; for instance what I had in my ex-GT3.

remmib · 03-07-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Akkord29

The M5 front sway won't fit if you have electric steering since the M5 uses hydraulic.

Pretty sure my 2013 RWD F10 has electric steering, and I've got the M5 front sway bar.

Akkord29 · 03-07-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by remmib

Pretty sure my 2013 RWD F10 has electric steering, and I've got the M5 front sway bar.

When I tired to put the front bar on the eps control unit (#1) got in the way for me.

mp411 · 03-07-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sjoerd

I have IAS; steering feel is tons better than the regular setup. Also changed the sway bar to front M5 and rear M550d ones.

In the end it is a heavy boat so never expect a great steering feel; for instance what I had in my ex-GT3.

Did your m5 sway bar a perfect fit for your 2014 535d or did you need other parts to get it to fit? I have a 2014 535i and was wondering if any other peeps had the m5 sway bars swapped successfully.

thanks

CBS · 03-07-2014, 04:29 PM

Thanks Everyone for your suggestions. I'm going to start with:

1. Michelin Pilot Super Sports w/space saver spare.
2. More aggressive alignment (Camber, Toe).
3. Sway Bar upgrade.

The above should settle me down - agree with AP who posted above that BMW has lost their driving feel. I hope BMW NA reads these posts....I've had 12 BMW's since 1987.

Sjoerd · 03-08-2014, 05:03 AM

Front M5 swaybar fitted perfectly. The rear M5 is just too thick so that's why there is a m550d sway bar fitted; also plug & play.

All x-drive models and the M5 have hydraulic power steering. The RWD 5 series electric. Steering feel with an x-drive will always be 'horrible' (IMHO) as the front wheels do more then just steering. Thé reason I didn't go for the m550d is/was x-drive.

Akkord29 · 03-08-2014, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sjoerd

All x-drive models and the M5 have hydraulic power steering.

not all x-drives unless you are referring to 2014's which I'm not sure about. my 2012 528 is an drive with electric steering.

paul223 · 03-08-2014, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Akkord29

The M5 front sway won't fit if you have electric steering since the M5 uses hydraulic.

M5 sway does fit. I have M5 sway bar on my 2013 535i

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