[Bmw doubles]

I'm super stoked to announce the Mission Performance Stage 2 revision. This is a change the F10 N55 community has truly needed for real and not just claim peak numbers. Mission Performance is rather new to the boards, but the wait was worth it as MP has evolved. What your about to see and read is a real game changer.

All the tunes out there piggyback or flash for the F10 / N55 have all claimed peak numbers, but only peak numbers and nothing that held across redline. So if my goal was to peak at 350whp, but at 5000 rpm I started dropping and by 6000 rpm I was flat-on-my-face with 200whp, the fun in that tune is short lived.

Currently on the new tune I am hitting 345whp at 5100 Rpm and 310whp at 7k rpm! This is a big deal and here's why. Previously I was making 345/500. It was 345whp at 3100rpm and 200whp at 6500 rpm with torque steadily holding but no extra power being made, something was a miss. Now with 100 ft lbs less torque, I am making the same power and holding power across to redline. A 345/400 car that holds to redline is a much more powerful car then a car at 200whp / 6500 rpm for obvious reasons.

When another 535 is shifting around 5500 rpm with an available 200whp, I'm still making over 310whp to 7k rpm and then I shift. Now thats a high reving BMW and on par with e90 M3 performance.

Peak boost is 19 psi and holds 13psi to redline. That the secret sauce

Note: I am on a stock clutch and it's slipping. We believe that the clutch is hiding another 10whp or so in its current tuned configuration. Once the clutch is replaced we can go back closer to 480wtq and probably squeeze another 5-10whp on top of that with the stock turbo. That's all speculative at this point, but in either case I'm throwing away hp with this stock slipping clutch. That said, its truly a testament to how well built BMW cars and parts are made. This clutch should be dead already and it's been about a year now on that clutch.

As we know the there are key differences between ewg and pwg and to go a step further the ecu abilities between the F10 and the F30 equipped with the N55 are vastly different. Alex has totally reversed engineered BMW's limiters and can provide more power through waste gate control for us pwg guys. Also F10 ewg contains limiters too, but Alex can address that in a separate post. So PWG brethren this is the tune with for-real-power on our F10's.

With the clutch replaced and a new Mission Performance turbo installed were reaching for 400whp. Yes I said it, MP turbos. Watch out now!

[Bmw doubles]

Case and point:
https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...5-Dyno-Results

535 claims 357whp. At 3700 rpm it peaks and at 5k its game over even though the torque is steady. It just doesn't make sense. Everybody has been saying the turbo is just not capable which is partially true, but the problem stems from BMW using more algorithms then tuners are aware of. That is until now (insert evil laugh).

Not trying to dog on this jemmie guy on bimmerfourms just making the case that MP is the real tune for us F10 people or for BMW PWG applications in general. Also not bagging on BMS. The only way to get past these blockers is to dig into the code and flash accordingly.

[Stück]

awwwwyiiissss

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by Stück

awwwwyiiissss

Bro your car is about to be a record setter. Cant wait for your results!

[mikekilpatrick]

Still wish we could get a tune for a Pre TU on a 550 F10. I have a set of Alphina turbos freshly rebuilt with a set of M5 downpipes ready to go into the car and cant find anything but BMS stage 2 Beta or Dinan stage 6 which is designed to take advantage of the bigger blades, but at 4 grand...

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by mikekilpatrick

Still wish we could get a tune for a Pre TU on a 550 F10. I have a set of Alphina turbos freshly rebuilt with a set of M5 downpipes ready to go into the car and cant find anything but BMS stage 2 Beta or Dinan stage 6 which is designed to take advantage of the bigger blades, but at 4 grand...

You can chat with Alex about the Siemens ecu, but as far as I know nobody has spent the time to crack that ecu.

[wakeofdeath]

Don't take this the wrong way but just seeing so much talk in these forums and little results.

- You mentioned this so called *Big Discovery* a few months back, did you know how many new discoveries others have made since?
http://f10.5post.com/forums/showpost...2&postcount=38

- You mentioned your clutch was slipping months ago (last year) and still this year slipping so is that a valid excuse of your dyno gap ? How is it slipping since you have the 550 clutch ?

- Then you guys been punching these N55 stuff for the past year already and still seems to be in beta, little to no cars running this tune or major lack of data (dyno, friendly mexico comparison, etc) http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1234463

At least elg0rd0yadigg thread http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1312573 has more info and data/proof with just 1 day of tuning.

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by wakeofdeath

Don't take this the wrong way but just seeing so much talk in these forums and little results.

- You mentioned this so called *Big Discovery* a few months back, did you know how many new discoveries others have made since?
http://f10.5post.com/forums/showpost...p;postcount=38

- You mentioned your clutch was slipping months ago (last year) and still this year slipping so is that a valid excuse of your dyno gap ? How is it slipping since you have the 550 clutch ?

- Then you guys been punching these N55 stuff for the past year already and still seems to be in beta, little to no cars running this tune or major lack of data (dyno, friendly mexico comparison, etc) http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1234463

At least elg0rd0yadigg thread http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1312573 has more info and data/proof with just 1 day of tuning.

Not taken wrong I got you.

This has been a evolution of an untapped market so each new development is a worthy discovery.

The slipping is my stock 535 clutch that I've had for a year and still have. I dont have the 550 clutch. Not sure where you're getting that info I was crystal clear about that. The RK tune has the same problem as all the other tuners offering a solution for the 535, it falls flat on its face at 5 k rpm just look at the RK graph in the link you posted. The new MP development is 345 at 5k and then doesn't give up! The RK tune is 230whp at 6500 rpm, the MP tune is 310whp at 6500 rpm and even 7k, so... Thats 80whp delta / improvement over all other tunes. Its a new discovery. In my past tune the discovery there was 345/500 with peak 19psi and tapper to 8psi. Now its 345/400 19 tapper to 13psi. 100 less ft lbs of torque with same power hp. This means when my clutch is replaced, I can go back to high 400's for even more whp.

This is a process hence new discovery and now show me any other tune for the F10 N55 that holds 13psi to 7k rpm that produces 310whp at redline.

I don't think your getting the gravity of this. What this means is now if I upgrade my turbo the possibilities of hitting 400whp and tapering to 350 at 7k are highly probable. Were about to find out with Stuck who has MP new stage 2 and PS2.

These other tunes on a F10 N55 you can get a PS2 installed and maybe hit peak 400whp at 3100rpm and then at 5k rpm your back to 200whp. Not because of the turbo, but because of the way it's factory coded that other tuners can't figure out, yet.

If you know of a stronger tune that can hold power to redline on a F10 N55, please post it. RK or any other tuners have a lot of development to go. If other tuners are cool with 200whp at 5k rpm and are calling it a day then I'm not interested in that solution.

Bootom line: MP tune; the F10 535 is no longer dead at 5k rpm = new discovery.

Mic drop

[vivanapoli806]

I'm interested to see how bootmod3 compares to the mission tune. Can't find to many f10 n55's that run it.

[AWF87M2]

Originally Posted by vivanapoli806

I'm interested to see how bootmod3 compares to the mission tune. Can't find to many f10 n55's that run it.

TBH, I don't think there are any F10 535i running the BM3 ots tune yet. There was a member on here that got his ecu unlocked but his car ran into some HPFP problems so he is getting the issues sorted out first before flashing bootmod3.

[lsturbointeg]

Great update bmw doubles! will the stock internals be fine with the extra power and when do you think it would be time to start upgrading that? would the stock tranny and axles be able to handle the extra power? coming from the import world i know when you start pushing the limits upgrades are always in order starting with the internals.

[Stück]

The N55 is more than fine internally where he is right now.

600whp/600wtq @ 24.5psi is a confirmed rod exiting the block point on a stock N55. One in the shop where I work right now....

We are building a forged bottom end for that N55 in the coming months, a N54 we built with similar topology just put down 847WHP/726WTQ.

I don't see the axles being a problem unless you wheel hop them, the trans? time will tell.

[MMAFAN]

Tell me more about this MP turbo. Is the MP similar to the pure turbo stage 1? What are the HP gains with the MP turbo?
Any ideal on cost?

Thanks for all the useful information and I can't wait for my 535i to finish with all the mods and get on that dyno. When installing the intercooler the tuner shop discovered a leak in the radiator so I decided to go with a custom replacement radiator (2 week build).

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by MMAFAN

Tell me more about this MP turbo. Is the MP similar to the pure turbo stage 1? What are the HP gains with the MP turbo?
Any ideal on cost?

Thanks for all the useful information and I can't wait for my 535i to finish with all the mods and get on that dyno. When installing the intercooler the tuner shop discovered a leak in the radiator so I decided to go with a custom replacement radiator (2 week build).

The turbo will consist of your stock housing with new internals. Stock internals on PWG are 45mm/62mm don't know if I'm allowed to give away specs yet, but let's just say anywhere from 2-6mm bigger on on each wheel. How it compares to PS1 is undetermined, but that's not the purpose of this future MP turbo. The purpose of this MP turbo is for F10 N55's to clear 400whp and hold power and F30 N55 high 400's. Soon after MP will offer an entire solution for this who want 400whp on their F10 N55's that holds to redline. This is the goal and is not proven yet nor is pricing available. Results and more info will be ready early summer.

[AWF87M2]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

The turbo will consist of your stock housing with new internals. Stock internals on PWG are 45mm/62mm don't know if I'm allowed to give away specs yet, but let's just say anywhere from 2-6mm bigger on on each wheel. How it compares to PS1 is undetermined, but that's not the purpose of this future MP turbo. The purpose of this MP turbo is for F10 N55's to clear 400whp and hold power and F30 N55 high 400's. Soon after MP will offer an entire solution for this who want 400whp on their F10 N55's that holds to redline. This is the goal and is not proven yet nor is pricing available. Results and more info will be ready early summer.

Are you going to upgrade the pistons as well? You can consider going with the S55 pistons that is also used on the M2. The M2 consists of various S55 engine components including a upgraded turbo with larger wheel for it to push out the power it does from the factory.

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by AWF87M2

Are you going to upgrade the pistons as well? You can consider going with the S55 pistons that is also used on the M2. The M2 consists of various S55 engine components including a upgraded turbo with larger wheel for it to push out the power it does from the factory.

Not going for upgraded internals unless the tune turns into bigger wheels, 25psi and meth. I'll visit that at stage 3. Just ordered my 550 clutch so a new dyno will be available soon. We left it 345/400 with a slipping clutch. After clutch install I will also record 0-60 and 1/4

[lsturbointeg]

keep us posted bro!

[DragonGate]

Originally Posted by wakeofdeath

Don't take this the wrong way but just seeing so much talk in these forums and little results.

- You mentioned this so called *Big Discovery* a few months back, did you know how many new discoveries others have made since?
http://f10.5post.com/forums/showpost...2&postcount=38

- You mentioned your clutch was slipping months ago (last year) and still this year slipping so is that a valid excuse of your dyno gap ? How is it slipping since you have the 550 clutch ?

- Then you guys been punching these N55 stuff for the past year already and still seems to be in beta, little to no cars running this tune or major lack of data (dyno, friendly mexico comparison, etc) http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1234463

At least elg0rd0yadigg thread http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1312573 has more info and data/proof with just 1 day of tuning.

+1

Another month of great story, another year of stories and slipping clutch that was mentioned 1-2yrs ago.

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by m2s63tu

+1

Another month of great story, another year of stories and slipping clutch that was mentioned 1-2yrs ago.

Well the good news for y'all you who wield so much unsubstantiated doubt without comparison or good reason. MP has been making great progress on the F10 N55 where other tuners have given up because they can't figure it out or say things like, "there's no market for it".

So yes there's new discoveries. Everyone else trying to tune this platform makes at best 320whp peak and then drops to 200whp at 6500k rpm on a stock snail! Weak sauce! BTW, me saying other tunes on an F10 N55 can make up to 320whp is being generous.

MP is 345whp peak and 310whp at 7k rpm on a stock snail. No one else can do that, hence new discovery.

Let me know if you need further assistance or perspective. Also anyone who knows of a better tune for the F10 N55 feel free to post it.

PS new 550 clutch just arrived goes in in 2 weeks. I'll post back with a new dyno and 0-60 at that time. I also started a go fundme for those that are becoming impatient wanting things to happen faster and posting random +1's that don't own F10 N55's

Def appreciate everyone's support

[B58BULLY]

Were definitely more restricted especially us pwg guys the ewg guys have a it more easier time tuning, i have only been to the dyno once, i will be revisiting this week but even from the one session rktunes had with my car graph is very smooth and i held about the 300whp mark almost thru redline as well my torque was a bit off due to the independently linked dynocom dyno unless this second session confirms it, more than 7 months into my tune no issues, no waisting oil or other issues like that

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by elg0rd0yadigg

Were definitely more restricted especially us pwg guys the ewg guys have a it more easier time tuning, i have only been to the dyno once, i will be revisiting this week but even from the one session rktunes had with my car graph is very smooth and i held about the 300whp mark almost thru redline as well my torque was a bit off due to the independently linked dynocom dyno unless this second session confirms it, more than 7 months into my tune no issues, no waisting oil or other issues like that

That's good power holding 300whp to redline on stock hardware, for our platform that is. I would be interested in what color your plugs are when you pull them.

[B58BULLY]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

That's good power holding 300whp to redline on stock hardware, for our platform that is. I would be interested in what color your plugs are when you pull them.

Ill be doing them probably end of summer i swapped my oems to ngk one step colder gapped .2 about a week after tune as oems had way over 20k