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06-05-2017, 11:50 AM | #89 |
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[QUOTE=J35 - N52]The very next thing that must be addressed is all the positive camber on the front axle which causes understeer (safety reasons, what happens when lawyers help build cars) and uneven wear on the outer tire.QUOTE]
What... Are you the OP under a different screen name again? Camber doesn't wear out tires unless crazy amount, toe does. Camber plates bring on a whole new level of NVH and is overkill for a street car. It would be easier to install new upper control like below to get more negative camber w/o sacrificing other ride qualities. https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...h/31126779908/ |
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Now, "feel" doesn't affect "lap time" or how aggressively you can turn. But "feel" is definitely part of an engaging driving experience, and a prior hallmark of the BMW brand. |
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I've done sway rear and front and the rear helped. The front did not maybe a bigger front sway than the M5 would have been better. Like the sway in the comp pack M5. Lowering the car and adding Koni dramatically changes the handling for the better. Steering is def slow in responsiveness. Changing to non RFT helps with ride quality, but not turn in. I feeI I may have slowed the turn in by going from 245 to 255 in the front. Wondering if a set of 235's summer tires in the front would fix the slow maneuvering. Also curious if ditching the electronic steering for the hydraulic rack from the xdrive would help with overall feel.
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If you have base or m sport, changing the springs and H&R sway bar makes big difference in handling, almost becomes perfect ride. Less than $1000 total cost including labor.
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I didn't buy my F10 for its handling. It's my touring car with lots of comforts. It's big and heavy with rather dead steering feel -- the plain old E90 sedan it replaced could handle rings around it. But it's comfy on a long trip without being floaty. A firmed-up M-sport version handles differently but are still too fat and heavy to really throw around, although I'm sure lots of guys here throw their F10s around. For fun driving I have an E46 convertible (and an R1200RT).
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or better yet going with coilovers where the engineers combined the best spring rates and shocks per vehicle specs
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DDC is dynamic dumper control (or electronic) so that's why I will not change struts,this is my favorite thing on car. I live on Balkan so i have mountains on roads Thanks for ansver |
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07-31-2017, 11:22 AM | #103 |
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I can confirm that ACS springs will not interfere with Dynamic Damper Control (DDC) nor Active Roll Stabilization (ARS). All three are on my F10.
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I paid about 500 Euro for the springs and another 300 Euro for installation. My total price (before wheel alignment) was therefore about 800 Euro.
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BLUF (Bottom line up front): ACS springs and the dynamic suspension work very well together. I have the dynamic handling package with both the dynamic damping (shocks) and the active role stabilization (sway bars). My 535xi handled quite well without the ACS springs and cornering was relatively flat for this heavy car. I'm not trying to compare it to a 3 series or something else lighter, mind you, but it was not bad. You could still feel the weight with the mild but predictable understeer. Now, with the ACS springs, handling is more responsive, and the car is even more composed on tight corners. I would not say that the ACS springs transformed the ride, but they certainly improved the handling. On a mildly negative side, the ride is a little harsher, as expected. While the ACS springs do transmit more of what both the roads and wheels are doing to the rest of the car (which I suppose is the entire point of sport suspension), I can now feel more bumps and and I can also feel some mild wheel damage that I experienced on some hideous potholes a few months ago. And now, here's a gratuitous picture. In case you are curious, the wheels are from Kelleners, Munich-style, 19".
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I like the handling of my "standard suspension" 535d which BTW came with better wheels and tires than the lower priced and lesser equipped (not by much) 528i.
My sport package 335d handled excellently on the track, but was mostly annoying as a daily driver. I would consider the "luxury" suspension W211 E320 CDI as my standard for this. I'll see how the 535d does as part of the complementary track weekend and let y'all know. PL |
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Well, it was more of a sports car and less a daily driver. I drove it over 100,000 miles.
The 6 speed automatic was nothing like a manual transmission. The tires were a bit over-sized on the staggered summer tire equipped sports package - great on the track, touchy and darty on the road - especially with Michelin PSS's. The tires wore out very quickly and the wheels were fragile, even though they were probably better than other e90 wheels for strength. The wheel alignment was very touchy and took a bit of effort to get it right. e90's have an odd suspension geometry that would turn the front wheels strongly while braking at a light with an uneven pavement. The double wishbone (A arm) front suspension on the 535d is much better than the McPherson struts on the e90 as is the rear multi-link. The vaunted hydraulic steering was too stiff and sluggish, IMO. It was a bit too tight for space for my growing physique - a poor job IMO since I've had smaller cars (Porsches - not the new ones, and an e30 318is) that fit better. The fuel economy wasn't up to diesel standards. My heavier 535d that is just as fast gets 5 mpg better. North American 335d's had trouble with the DEF tanks - which BMW finally agreed to fix under a special extended warranty. By then that and other problems with the relatively new emission system brought resale NA 335d's prices pretty far down for a diesel BMW. But it was a car that I enjoyed driving much of the time when I wasn't tired. A lot like my Carrera 3.2 w/sport suspension was. Cheers. PL |
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The steering is heavy, but I much prefer that over the light steering you see in most cars. The PSS's are not a dedicated track tire, more like high performance steet. I find them to be a lovely tire, quiet, smooth responsive with very good grip. Treadwear doesn't seem great and they are pricey though. The 8 speed definitely makes up for the extra weight of the f10 and makes the car faster and more fuel efficient. It's a great transmission. I've only driven the e90 with a manual, but the auto transmission in it is a good unit. Last edited by Sumptuous Hummus; 08-08-2017 at 08:05 PM.. |
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