[Alan l.]

Do we know if there will be any changes to the 2013 F10's yet and when BMW will make the switch over? In the past I believe BMW usually stops production for a month in sept/oct for this change.

From what I gathered 2014 is when the LCI is due which my guess will atleast incorporate the squared buttom angel eyes since all of their new cars have it. Hopefully it won't be a major revision.

Alan

[BigKutta]

It will be the usual cutover in September 2012. There will be no change to body style, but not sure if the 535 engine will change.

[Alan l.]

^^ thats what I am wondering myself. With the introduction of the N20 closing the gap between the two models it makes sense that BMW is going to update the 535 in some way increasing the HP.

[BigKutta]

Yeah, I would suspect that either for 2013 or 2014 535i

[uhn2000]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

It will be the usual cutover in September 2012. There will be no change to body style, but not sure if the 535 engine will change.

I heard the 2013 production is starting in July .. so its earlier then everyone expects. I also have a feeling that there will be internal changes that coincide with the 7er refresh (they share those parts). As per the exterior; think we might have to wait another year - hopefully its just a simple plug and play for everyone; I plan on getting an M5 for MY2013 or 2014 not sure yet..

The 7er refresh will really tell all of us the direction the new LCI 5er will take.

[bimmer man]

Production September for German-made BMW and November for American manufactured bmw, no facelift for 2013 mod f10. changes in the 535i get same engine as 640i 320 hp engine I believe.

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

Production September for German-made BMW and November for American manufactured bmw, no facelift for 2013 mod f10. changes in the 535i, the 640i to get 320 hp engine I believe.

This year or next year? I am about to order a 535d F11 (will do it next month), hence me asking...

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by rhinosaur

This year or next year? I am about to order a 535d F11 (will do it next month), hence me asking...

No changes for 535d in 2013. 535d got a new engine in 2012, 313 hp same as the 640D. But I reckon that 535i also gets the same engine as the 640i 320 hp in 2013. September 2012 production.

[rhinosaur]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

No changes for 535d in 2013. 535d got a new engine in 2012, 313 hp same as the 640D. But I reckon that 535i also gets the same engine as the 640i 320 hp in 2013. September 2012 production.

Cool! Thanks for answering that!

[bimmer man]

Hi, I also believe that the 550i gets a new engine in 2013 mod. produced in September 2012. it will likely get the same engine bmw 650i grand Cupe 450 hp,

[AMP]

According to BMW's ordering guide for the 2012 models the 2013 model year will start production in July 2012. There's also mention of a July SOP for the F10 in some of the BMW Canada documents on the M5. Rumor has it as that there will be a change in body electronics (mentioned in the BMW Canada bulletin) as well as a change in engine to an updated version of the N63 with valvetronic (internet conjecture).

Body electronics means a likely update to the iDrive (touchpad input seems to be the consensus here).

[bimmer man]

It is not ordering the day that determines the model year of your car, say that you book the car in july, but the car will be produced in September. you get 2013 mod. When you buy new bmw, be sure to ask your dealer about the production week for the car you buy, they have it on the computer, when you get production week for your car so you can calculate whether you are in september, if you are, you get2013 mod. This is German-made BMW. For the United States is manufactured bmw is November that decisive year mod.

[joey5622]

so rumor is a touch pad and more hp for the 2013?? that's pretty annoying to hear.... wish they didn't change much from the 2012..

[AMP]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

It is not ordering the day that determines the model year of your car, say that you book the car in july, but the car will be produced in September. you get 2013 mod. When you buy new bmw, be sure to ask your dealer about the production week for the car you buy, they have it on the computer, when you get production week for your car so you can calculate whether you are in september, if you are, you get2013 mod. This is German-made BMW. For the United States is manufactured bmw is November that decisive year mod.

This is incorrect. The start of _production_ for the 2013 models will be July 2012 per BMW's published ordering guide for the 2012 models.

The 2013 order book for the US will likely open up with allocations handed out in May.

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by AMP

This is incorrect. The start of _production_ for the 2013 models will be July 2012 per BMW's published ordering guide for the 2012 models.

The 2013 order book for the US will likely open up with allocations handed out in May.

I'm not sure how it is with BMW's produced for usa market. But it is September for Europe cars. I know this because I got the enlightenment when I was on factory visit in summer 2012 on Welt Munich. I do this every summer.

[positiveions]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

I'm not sure how it is with BMW's produced for usa market. But it is September for Europe cars. I know this because I got the enlightenment when I was on factory visit in summer 2012 on Welt Munich. I do this every summer.

yes, you are correct. 2013 production begins in September for USA and not July.

[bimmer man]

[QUOTE=eatrach73;11577976]yes, you are correct. 2013 production begins in September for USA and not July.[/Q Thanks, I'm sure this is correct

[rsolomon]

With the demise of the manual in the xDrive 5-series, I've been hesitant to jump

Further, while the 535i xDrive made perfect sense as the only 5-series xDrive with a manual, I'm really torn over the 550i xDrive given I'm stuck with a slushbox in either case.

Another 50HP for both cars in 2013 would be a nice bump! Curious where folks are getting the +20HP 535 / +50HP 550 numbers - are these just speculation or does someone have a semi-reliable source they could point out?

Thanks in advance!
Richard (current Audi guy)

[Alan l.]

Well this really puts me in a tuff situation. I plan on ordering my F10 around June for August delivery. Puts me close for the 2012-2013 cut off.

I wonder if the hp gains from the N55 is purely a software thing or is there some hardware differences.

Alan

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Well this really puts me in a tuff situation. I plan on ordering my F10 around June for August delivery. Puts me close for the 2012-2013 cut off.

I wonder if the hp gains from the N55 is purely a software thing or is there some hardware differences.

Alan

I always order a new car in august or september.

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by rsolomon

With the demise of the manual in the xDrive 5-series, I've been hesitant to jump

Further, while the 535i xDrive made perfect sense as the only 5-series xDrive with a manual, I'm really torn over the 550i xDrive given I'm stuck with a slushbox in either case.

Another 50HP for both cars in 2013 would be a nice bump! Curious where folks are getting the +20HP 535 / +50HP 550 numbers - are these just speculation or does someone have a semi-reliable source they could point out?

Thanks in advance!
Richard (current Audi guy)

The newer 650i grand Cupe get 450 hp now. So it is normal again this engine comes in the other cars at next year's model. The same is for the 535i with 640i has 320 hp. I know for sure that the face lift 750i coming this summer also has 450 hp. But I can control this information next time I talk my dealer.

[AMP]

Per BMW NA's 2012 Ordering Guide dated 2/18/2012.

F10 MY 2012 started production in 9/2011 and will end production 6/2012.


Per the Canadian F10 M5 ordering guide:

Please note that BMW USA announced availability of the M5 Sedan in the U.S. market as a MY2013 as of July 2012 production. BMW Canada’s M5 production will follow the same model year schedule. Also note that there is a material change expected to the M5’s vehicle electronics as of July 2012 production. The change will not impact the output or performance of the M5. Additional details of the change will be available in the later part of Q2 2012. With the model year and vehicle electronic changes expected as of July 2012 production, please ensure your customers consider this information before placing an order between 03/12-06/12 production.

The F10 will be a 2013 model starting with July 2012 production. All of BMW NA's published documents point to this fact. These cars will deliver in September, but the actual builds will start in July.