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      08-18-2011, 01:14 PM   #23
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ha saw this coming a mile away. GT is plain ugly.
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      08-18-2011, 01:32 PM   #24
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I would not get too excited.
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      08-18-2011, 01:33 PM   #25
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Yes! It's about time they get a slap in the face, and I hope this influences their decisions with creating models that cater to the needs of every single market. I want the days back where seeing a Mercedes-Benz or a BMW was a rare and special occasion. Everyone has a 3-series or a C-class these days.
You're forgetting they're both in the business of selling cars, not exclusivity. At the level you're pitching, you need to buy a Zonda or a Veyron or better yet, ask BMW to build a one-off for you.
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      08-18-2011, 01:41 PM   #26
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"While sales of the 5 Series GT haven't been particularly robust, the model has managed to outsell the previous 5 Series Touring since its arrival last year"
so let me get this straight, they replaced the touring with the GT, and the GT outsells the touring, inspite of the looks.
then they decide to stop the GT and bring back the touring??
what am i missing??
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      08-18-2011, 01:59 PM   #27
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"While sales of the 5 Series GT haven't been particularly robust, the model has managed to outsell the previous 5 Series Touring since its arrival last year"
so let me get this straight, they replaced the touring with the GT, and the GT outsells the touring, inspite of the looks.
then they decide to stop the GT and bring back the touring??
what am i missing??
Yup, I think a U-turn on this might not be the best idea. The E61 was a worse seller than the GT, and they may risk further reducing the already small numbers of both by introducing the F11 to the US?... I guess it would be good for the consumer though.

Just glad I live in Europe!
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      08-18-2011, 02:08 PM   #28
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Thumbs up F11 5GT

I must admit I always thought that the 5GT was an awkward looking vehicle but I must admit after I drove the beast it was stunning,the interior is brilliant with its large panoramic glass roof a great place to be on a long cruise. I suppose the American markets taste is different to Europe but look beyond the style and get behind the wheel I think you will be pleasantly surprised ( just needs a little bit of Alpina!)


Now decisions what shall we have?
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      08-18-2011, 02:11 PM   #29
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I would not get too excited.
I told you that 5er GT is a lost cause. It doesn't appeal to the American buyer.

I don't have kids-only a cat-but that F11 sure look appealing to me; especially if it's a 535d or 550d
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      08-18-2011, 02:14 PM   #30
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"While sales of the 5 Series GT haven't been particularly robust, the model has managed to outsell the previous 5 Series Touring since its arrival last year"
so let me get this straight, they replaced the touring with the GT, and the GT outsells the touring, inspite of the looks.
then they decide to stop the GT and bring back the touring??
what am i missing??
and if I may add that if 5er GT sold more than the previous touring, and they lost customers to the competition, one might wonder: how many 5er GTs were sold? 10 cars? Cause I don't see that much of them on the road as much as I saw E6X touring.
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      08-18-2011, 02:23 PM   #31
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"While sales of the 5 Series GT haven't been particularly robust, the model has managed to outsell the previous 5 Series Touring since its arrival last year"
so let me get this straight, they replaced the touring with the GT, and the GT outsells the touring, inspite of the looks.
then they decide to stop the GT and bring back the touring??
what am i missing??
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Yup, I think a U-turn on this might not be the best idea. The E61 was a worse seller than the GT, and they may risk further reducing the already small numbers of both by introducing the F11 to the US?... I guess it would be good for the consumer though.

Just glad I live in Europe!
I addressed the alleged sales numbers in my earlier post (#15) but I'll repost it below. I'm 95% sure this is what they mean which, if true, means they're trying to kid themselves into making the 5GT sound like it's not as awful as it really is:

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What they don't say (I'm pretty sure this is true) is that, yes, the 5GT 'outsold' the e61 it replaced, but I think they're comparing the last year sales of the e61 to the first year sales of the 5GT. That's very misleading because it's expected that sales for a model that's reaching the end of its lifespan are going to be lackluster.
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BMW are not just going to reverse a decision when the market for Premium large Wagons is all but dead. Audi and Volvo pulled their wagons because sales were going to the relevant SAV's , same as the BMW.

When BMW 5er GT arrived in the US Market. By the first year BMW sold the past three years combined of E61 units in it's first year.
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      08-18-2011, 02:52 PM   #33
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I addressed the alleged sales numbers in my earlier post (#15) but I'll repost it below. I'm 95% sure this is what they mean which, if true, means they're trying to kid themselves into making the 5GT sound like it's not as awful as it really is:
Negative, I've posted the numbers before (just can't remember which forum), the 5GT outsold the E61's best year...
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      08-18-2011, 03:02 PM   #34
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Negative, I've posted the numbers before (just can't remember which forum), the 5GT outsold the E61's best year...
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Huh, turns out the numbers were in the linked news article:

"BMW sold 2,848 GTs in 2010 and just 720 in the first four months of 2011. Sales of the 5-series wagon peaked at 2,351 units in 2005"

Kind of looks like a 500 unit difference to me. The GT may not have sold as many as BMW were expecting, but these numbers speak for themselves..
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The touring is a very sleek and sporty car!
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      08-18-2011, 03:40 PM   #36
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I would not get too excited.
I would.

I would get excited.

I would post on forums.

I would write a letter to Roundel.

I would call BMW customer service.

I would do everything possible to make myself and others heard.
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      08-18-2011, 04:14 PM   #37
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BMW are not just going to reverse a decision when the market for Premium large Wagons is all but dead. Audi and Volvo pulled their wagons because sales were going to the relevant SAV's , same as the BMW.

When BMW 5er GT arrived in the US Market. By the first year BMW sold the past three years combined of E61 units in it's first year.
Let's be honest...

E61 5-series wagon was butt f***ing ugly.
Bringing 5 GT was even worse design-wise and it was just not as practical as the regular wagon.
Bringing F11 touring however is a different story.
It's beautiful, more practical and most importantly much nicer looking than the E-class wagon.
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      08-18-2011, 04:37 PM   #38
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Let's be honest...

E61 5-series wagon was butt f***ing ugly.
Bringing 5 GT was even worse design-wise and it was just not as practical as the regular wagon.
Bringing F11 touring however is a different story.
It's beautiful, more practical and most importantly much nicer looking than the E-class wagon.


How many times does he have to hear it? SCOTT26 will not listen to reason...
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      08-18-2011, 04:49 PM   #39
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i agree with anything that gets the 5GT off the streets
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      08-18-2011, 05:04 PM   #40
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consider'n? i guess my 5,000+ emails finally got them 2 admit their mistake huh?

f11 > f10gt ALL DAY ERRDAY
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Axe the 5GT and the upcoming 3GT.

I feel that you lost utility with the GT, and gained in ungodly awful looks.
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      08-18-2011, 06:57 PM   #42
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How many times does he have to hear it? SCOTT26 will not listen to reason...
Listen to reason? BMW in Germany know the situation with the Premium wagon market in the USA and I can tell you now that BMW AG are not going to spend millions of euros to reverse a current car to be federalized so it can sell in small handfulls , especially when they have the larger X5.

Why do you think Audi have pulled out and Volvo too? the E-Klasse wagon is not successful especially with heavily discounted current ML-Klasse ahead of a new ML-Klasse this Autumn.

You may say that BMW has lost focus and are losing it but when it comes down to it they know how to operate a business and know when to cut their losses. Do not expect any F11's maybe the next generation but it all depends.
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BMW can choose to bring the wagon over or not based on the business case. We may disagree but it is their decision. As it is our decision to stay with the brand or not. For many of the contributors it is obvious that bringing the F11 will make it more likely to stay with BMW.

What I dislike is the BMW cool-aid about the GT. We have been told it is better for us, it is better for BMW, it sells better than the E61 did, etc.
First, as , I believe, Lee Iacocca said it is easy to sell the first 10,000 of anything in the auto industry. Especially when you flood the dealerships, advertise extensivelly, and then after a year or more unsold on the floor unload them with huge discounts. I never saw that kind of promotion for the wagons.
And if other brands leave the wagon market in the U.S. this certainly is not a valid argument for what BMW does. If anything, there may be increased opportunity there.

So, BMW, for the time being you can muddle with the GT alone and no F11, or bring the F11 and for the next few years sell both. Either way you can re-evaluate when the next gen cars are ready.

We vote with our money. I, for one, will not be buying a 5GT or X5.
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Shocking, I called it a year ago. Dumb ass idea!
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