[SirApoc]

M5 is an awesome car, but it's not a supercar by any definition that is used to describe supercars today. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking it's up there with the McLarens of the world. They don't perform well enough nor are they 'rare' enough to qualify. They're very powerful, very capable sedans that sit near the top of their segment. That segment just isn't supercars , despite what we wish to be true

[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by SirApoc

M5 is an awesome car, but it's not a supercar by any definition that is used to describe supercars today. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking it's up there with the McLarens of the world. They don't perform well enough nor are they 'rare' enough to qualify. They're very powerful, very capable sedans that sit near the top of their segment. That segment just isn't supercars , despite what we wish to be true

it is a CPO I would get it before I go up there and trade my 13 550ix in for it. Orland Park has a 13 M5 also but not CPO and they keep dropping the price it has been sitting there 5 months.

[SirApoc]

Originally Posted by NV GUNS

it is a CPO I would get it before I go up there and trade my 13 550ix in for it. Orland Park has a 13 M5 also but not CPO and they keep dropping the price it has been sitting there 5 months.

Do it. I fully support anyone wanting to get into and M5. It's an awesome car. I just didn't agree with the notion that some hold that it's a true supercar, as generally defined in car culture.

[SLVSRFR]

My 550i has over 500rwhp from just a few mods that consist of a properly configured $800 JB4 + BCM, $600 cold air intake system, and $500 Active autowerke catless downpipes. Been on this setup for 40k miles (recently upgraded the JB4 to the new beta). That's more than enough power and my car looks just as nice. Majority of the M5's (obviously stock) on the road that try me, give the shocked look because they can't catch up to me when my car doesn't have side grills that say 'M5' on it.

But I came from an E60 M5 so I understand wanting to be in an ///M. But the difference between the F10 550 and F10 M5 is not comparable to previous models as the difference is not great at all. The 550 is capable of putting up impressive numbers for a fraction of the cost of an M5.

[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by SirApoc

Do it. I fully support anyone wanting to get into and M5. It's an awesome car. I just didn't agree with the notion that some hold that it's a true supercar, as generally defined in car culture.

I don't take culture in to my personal opinions. I am actually going to the Schererville BMW today to see if I can trade my 13 550ix for a 14 550ix. I just want the N63T pretty bad.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by SLVSRFR

......and $500 Active Autowerke catless downpipes......

No smog issue???

[SLVSRFR]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

No smog issue???

Haven't had to smog because the car is under 6 years old. But I know it won't pass, I'll just put the factory on 2 weeks before I have to smog next year.

[SirApoc]

Originally Posted by NV GUNS

I don't take culture in to my personal opinions. I am actually going to the Schererville BMW today to see if I can trade my 13 550ix for a 14 550ix. I just want the N63T pretty bad.

Not quite sure I understand what you're saying. I'm saying three things:

1. Get whatever car your heart desires.
2. M5s are awesome cars
3. M5s are not super cars.

[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by SirApoc

Not quite sure I understand what you're saying. I'm saying three things:

1. Get whatever car your heart desires.
2. M5s are awesome cars
3. M5s are not super cars.

I agree with you. I just think I did not convey that properly.

[SLVSRFR]

But a Tesla S P85D is considered one. I think the term is subjective to the user.

The E60 M5 was deemed a super car during its time due to it's monster V10, 507hp, and ability to carry 4 passengers comfortably.

I dont think the F10 M5 is a super car by any means, but just because a car is not "exotic" doesnt mean its not a super car.

[SirApoc]

I wouldn't consider the Tesla a supercar either. I think McLaren, some Ferraris, maybe a gt3 as supercars. Then some select paganis as hyper cars. As cars get better and better that bar keeps raising.

[M5Beast_NYC]

Originally Posted by Bbb34

If you want M5 then in my opinion you go and buy M5, you don't buy 550 and try to make it into M5.
No amount of tuning will transform 535 into 550, 550 into M5.
Not that there's anything wrong with buying 550 and tuning it to your liking of course.

I agree with this statement. Personally, once i get my mindset on getting the car I want its hard to go a different direction. very often if I do, I regret it and end up getting the initial car i wanted but spent double the money.

[krautmeister]

Here's my take, taking the value proposition aside as whatever you want, you should get if you can afford it because life is short my friend.

So my opinion on whether a RWD car vs AWD car in the snow belt is easy. RWD with proper winter tires as some have mentioned, is more than sufficient. People in many parts of the world with snow have been driving RWD cars for years. Its not the going, its the stopping.

A few anecdotes from my experience with snow:

In college (broke), I drove a very sketchy '92 300zx with Nitto summer tires in Rochester NY for 3 years. It was hard at times and on one instance, I recall driving at a 15 degree drift for 8 miles because the front tires were in the snow ruts and the rears sprayed snow everywhere, but I couldn't stop because i would get stuck!

I owned a D2 '01 S8, which was decent in snow in Cleveland, OH, but I also drove it with AS tires. Its all about get up and go... but unfortunately, stopping, all cars are at the same disadvantage of 4 little rubber patches on the snow.

I also owned a E60 525i in Cleveland after my S8 (don't ask....) and I had a proper winter tire set up, which was MUCH better than my AWD S8. I drove it for 6 years in the snow and even recall one day where my company let the employees out early for a snow storm, to which we went skiing instead! My E60 always got me home and rarely ever got stuck. Maybe 2 times it got stuck in the ice ruts in parking lots, which was easy enough to extract myself from.

Now, my F10 lives in the south... and hopefully will never see snow again! But when I moved to Atlanta, I managed to get my E60 with summer tires home in the infamous "Snowpacalvpse" through 25 miles. It wasn't the car's snow capability I was worried about... its all the other idiots who do not know how to drive!

So I will add this caveat. Seems driver behavior of today is far less involved than of the past, so if you're a millennial reading this, you can still drive in the snow without ABS, DSC, DTC, and any other acronym you want to throw in there. The limiting factor is always 4 rubber tires on 4 small contact patches in snow. AWD/RWD is irrelevant when braking so M5 / 550i makes no difference in my opinion. If you're intending to go in deep snow, up to a hunting cabin...well I think this is the wrong subform (eek, maybe wrong brand??).

[Sorai]

Originally Posted by krautmeister

Here's my take, taking the value proposition aside as whatever you want, you should get if you can afford it because life is short my friend.

So my opinion on whether a RWD car vs AWD car in the snow belt is easy. RWD with proper winter tires as some have mentioned, is more than sufficient. People in many parts of the world with snow have been driving RWD cars for years. Its not the going, its the stopping.

A few anecdotes from my experience with snow:

In college (broke), I drove a very sketchy '92 300zx with Nitto summer tires in Rochester NY for 3 years. It was hard at times and on one instance, I recall driving at a 15 degree drift for 8 miles because the front tires were in the snow ruts and the rears sprayed snow everywhere, but I couldn't stop because i would get stuck!

I owned a D2 '01 S8, which was decent in snow in Cleveland, OH, but I also drove it with AS tires. Its all about get up and go... but unfortunately, stopping, all cars are at the same disadvantage of 4 little rubber patches on the snow.

I also owned a E60 525i in Cleveland after my S8 (don't ask....) and I had a proper winter tire set up, which was MUCH better than my AWD S8. I drove it for 6 years in the snow and even recall one day where my company let the employees out early for a snow storm, to which we went skiing instead! My E60 always got me home and rarely ever got stuck. Maybe 2 times it got stuck in the ice ruts in parking lots, which was easy enough to extract myself from.

Now, my F10 lives in the south... and hopefully will never see snow again! But when I moved to Atlanta, I managed to get my E60 with summer tires home in the infamous "Snowpacalvpse" through 25 miles. It wasn't the car's snow capability I was worried about... its all the other idiots who do not know how to drive!

So I will add this caveat. Seems driver behavior of today is far less involved than of the past, so if you're a millennial reading this, you can still drive in the snow without ABS, DSC, DTC, and any other acronym you want to throw in there. The limiting factor is always 4 rubber tires on 4 small contact patches in snow. AWD/RWD is irrelevant when braking so M5 / 550i makes no difference in my opinion. If you're intending to go in deep snow, up to a hunting cabin...well I think this is the wrong subform (eek, maybe wrong brand??).

That was very informative, thank you! Yeah, I've decided on purchasing a cpo M5. The only goal right now is to find one in MCB. That color is everything. I'm just awaiting the settlements after the court date (October 10th).

[Sorai]

I have another question, in regards to pedal sensitivity, how much more difficult is it to drive the M5 vs the 550? I became pretty comfortable with the 550 after about 2 hours of driving it. But looking at the numbers, jumping from 400 to 560, is it a similar learning curve?

[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by Sorai

I have another question, in regards to pedal sensitivity, how much more difficult is it to drive the M5 vs the 550? I became pretty comfortable with the 550 after about 2 hours of driving it. But looking at the numbers, jumping from 400 to 560, is it a similar learning curve?

as long as you keep in comfort mode not much different.

[krautmeister]

Originally Posted by Sorai

I have another question, in regards to pedal sensitivity, how much more difficult is it to drive the M5 vs the 550? I became pretty comfortable with the 550 after about 2 hours of driving it. But looking at the numbers, jumping from 400 to 560, is it a similar learning curve?

This is an assumption, but I highly doubt pedal feel will be much different, although a forced induction engine will have a slightly different torque curve than naturally aspirated so in terms of winter driving.

[krautmeister]

Oh another important thing is emergency maneuvers. Yes, AWD will be a bit more forgiving than RWD if you want to stab the throttle aimlessly and tumble end over end... but since you're looking at M5s, I assume you have at least a baseline of performance driving skills, which are exaggerated in snow.

I have done "stupid" things both in my S8 and my 525i in the snow (by stupid I mean behaving 15 years younger than I should have in large cars). I always knew the performance envelope of each given car so that in that instance where you needed maximum performance for a correction or whatnot, you knew where you stood. Coincidently, the best snow car (regular car) that I've owned was a 240sx with AS... very predictable and balanced at all speeds. I have accidentally drifted that car too on a snowy highway at 70mph.... as long as you have your wits about you, it rewarded you.

[AmooManiak]

I think you'll be fine. The torque numbers to the wheels are actually much closer between the two than advertised (from dynos I've seen.)

[aris21]

Just get an M5 and enjoy it. It's really that simple. Life is short.

[Sorai]

Originally Posted by aris21

Just get an M5 and enjoy it. It's really that simple. Life is short.

/endthread.

Thank you to everyone that posted! This community is beyond helpful.

[SirApoc]

Look into a jb4 if you are wanting more M5 power. Looks like they're pushing nearly 700hp on pump gas now.