[Bbb34]

They sold a lot because they built exceptionally well balanced car.

Comfortable, spacious, great looking, luxurious cruiser with decent mileage and at the end of the day, still sporty ride for the size. Choosing options wisely goes a long way to get the best handling F10 possible.

Not perfect, but pretty darn good, one of best looking and handling vehicles in it's class without doubt.

[JMD]

Congrats to BMW! This was my first 'new BMW',...a 2012 F10 535i Sport Black Sapphire on Black! It's the best all-around 5-Series ever,...has plenty of style,...lots of giddy-up and go,...gets more than 32 mpg hwy (...yes it does),....very quite, and solid as a rock!

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Bbb34

They sold a lot because they built exceptionally well balanced car.

Comfortable, spacious, great looking, luxurious cruiser with decent mileage and at the end of the day, still sporty ride for the size. Choosing options wisely goes a long way to get the best handling F10 possible.

Not perfect, but pretty darn good, one of best looking and handling vehicles in it's class without doubt.

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Yeah, the fake exhaust playing through the speakers is leagues better than the natural symphony that the V10 gave you.

...once you drive an F10 Fighter M5,...you will welcome that fake exhaust at every chance you get,...and if that doesn't win you over 100%,...the jet aircraft like anywhere / everywhere / any gear torque curve will.

In my opinion,...and no one is asking! The F10 M5 is the best Super Car on the planet! Bar none! It's not a sports car,...or cabrio,...or a two seat kidney beater! It's an executive sleeper with LARGE BALLS!

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by JMD

...once you drive an F10 Fighter M5,...you will welcome that fake exhaust at every chance you get,...and if that doesn't win you over 100%,...the jet aircraft like anywhere / everywhere / any gear torque curve will.

In my opinion,...and no one is asking! The F10 M5 is the best Super Car on the planet! Bar none! It's not a sports car,...or cabrio,...or a two seat kidney beater! It's an executive sleeper with LARGE BALLS!

I've been driving them for four years now almost every day. I hated and still hate Active Sound. I think it's stupid system. The torque hasn't won me over either. Traction is an issue. What I loved about the Exx generation was that the engine was linear. Torque started to build as you climbed through the rev range, not drop off after 5,500 rpm.

It does handle really well in the wet though on a track. I'll give it that much.

[Soul_Glo]

I think this video sums it up briefly. The car is constantly being improved. I drove a 520d a few weeks ago and it didn't feel too underpowered. The diesel sounds were muted in the cabin... Here is the video I found on the weekend:

[Royce Martin]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Yeah, the fake exhaust playing through the speakers is leagues better than the natural symphony that the V10 gave you.

Even with that fake exhaust through the speakers, the actual exhaust on the outside have a beautiful tone once you change the exhaust system.

But, I have to say that V10 exhaust note wins it for me.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

I've been driving them for four years now almost every day. I hated and still hate Active Sound. I think it's stupid system. The torque hasn't won me over either. Traction is an issue. What I loved about the Exx generation was that the engine was linear. Torque started to build as you climbed through the rev range, not drop off after 5,500 rpm.

It does handle really well in the wet though on a track. I'll give it that much.

Oh well,...somethings change,...some remain the same. Happy motoring,...and tc

[Royce Martin]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

I've been driving them for four years now almost every day. I hated and still hate Active Sound. I think it's stupid system. The torque hasn't won me over either. Traction is an issue. What I loved about the Exx generation was that the engine was linear. Torque started to build as you climbed through the rev range, not drop off after 5,500 rpm.

It does handle really well in the wet though on a track. I'll give it that much.

The Active sound does get annoying, we can agree on that.

What I disagree with you on is the performance of the F10 M5. The V10 is nothing short of a good performance car but the F10 is doing much more and controlling it much better. Regardless of what RWD car you drive, the traction is always going to be an issue.

That was a bad comparison lol

[lsturbointeg]

my first BMW too! i knew what i wanted from the start! now if i can get my hands on an M5!

[paul223]

The best square design on body panels to date.

[Trian]

Originally Posted by JMD

...gets more than 32 mpg hwy (...yes it does),!

Geez, and I have been happy with 25 on the hwy. I must drive it differently.

[sieben1973]

Originally Posted by PJinCA

This is both good and bad. As a BMW enthusiast, and having owned 2 previous E60s, I know - the F10 was a departure for BMW, they went away from a true enthusiast driver's car to a more comfortable and sedate car that appeals to more people. This led to record sales numbers, but also a car that is noticeably less capable as a driver's car than the previous E60, the E39, and the cars that preceded them.
Don't get me wrong, I have an F10 and I enjoy it. It meets the needs of mee and my family better than the E60 it replaced. It is larger and more comfortable for everyone. However, it also does not give me the thrills in the twisties that the E60 did.

Exactly

[hlmiii]

Originally Posted by PJinCA

For daily driving the DCT is awesome, because it is very good in traffic and when thrashing the car. While the SMG was horrible in city driving, it was sublime when combined with the trans tuning and kicking butt on a track (emphasis added).

This is dead right on. Once free from suburban stop and go, the S85+SMG III are a unique and almost brutal force for a sedan.

Originally Posted by PJinCA

The E60 seemed more responsive, definitely gave better feedback through the steering wheel and the butt

And correct, also. Driven back to back a comparison of the E60 to the F10 is pretty stark: the former is like grabbing hold of the neck of a wild stallion - exerting direct control over intimidating power - while the latter is like being handed the reins of a trained show horse - proceeding through various controlled actions.

Even just the size and weight differences alone mean guarantee that the two models will be quite distinct.

[Bbb34]

To some extent I understand the issue you guys have with performance. I'd love to have more steering feel too and "sport" mode of DHP to be "default" across all F10 models, but you're forgetting this is very large sedan, wasn't exactly meant to be track car. E60 on the other hand was lacking space, especially in the back, and didn't look anywhere close as good as F10 (subjective I know - this is just my opinion).

What car today do you feel handles better than F10 in the same class?

[aman27]

For me the e60 was the best 5 series

[PJinCA]

Originally Posted by aman27

For me the e60 was the best 5 series ??

For me, I did love my E60s, still my favorite 5 series is still the E39. It still looks good to me to this day. The E60s, overall, had a unique look. The greatest thing about the Exx cars was that they did not look identical. Today it's hard to tell the difference between a 3/5/7 series, with the Exx cars the E90 did not look identical to the E60, and the E60 did not look identical to the E65. They were intentionally completely different looking cars.
That went away with the Fxx cars, which is kind of sad.
LOL, I know I must sound like I am knocking the F10, I am not. It suits my current needs well, I do like the comfort, space, and tech. However, I do miss some of the things that made the E60 and previous gens special when compared to comparable cars in their segments.

[cipher5]

I have a 2011 CPO... kind of tempted to get a newer one... had I not modified this one... I love the F10.

[adc]

Originally Posted by PJinCA

This is both good and bad. As a BMW enthusiast, and having owned 2 previous E60s, I know - the F10 was a departure for BMW, they went away from a true enthusiast driver's car to a more comfortable and sedate car that appeals to more people. This led to record sales numbers, but also a car that is noticeably less capable as a driver's car than the previous E60, the E39, and the cars that preceded them.
Don't get me wrong, I have an F10 and I enjoy it. It meets the needs of mee and my family better than the E60 it replaced. It is larger and more comfortable for everyone. However, it also does not give me the thrills in the twisties that the E60 did.

And for this reason, I just bought a 2010 E60 instead of a 2011 F10. The price difference for the models I was looking at was minimal, less than $4k, so I could have bought either generation.

While the F10 is much more luxurious on the inside (and looks better on the outside), I just couldn't get over how different they drive, and how much more anesthetized the F car feels.

Stupid or inspired, time will tell I guess.

[Royce Martin]

Originally Posted by adc

And for this reason, I just bought a 2010 E60 instead of a 2011 F10. The price difference for the models I was looking at was minimal, less than $4k, so I could have bought either generation.

While the F10 is much more luxurious on the inside (and looks better on the outside), I just couldn't get over how different they drive, and how much more anesthetized the F car feels.

Stupid or inspired, time will tell I guess.

Did you buy the M5?

[adc]

Originally Posted by Royce Martin

Did you buy the M5?

No, a 535xi as a DC and family runabout.

I already have an M3 for hardcore thrills, and I've had the E90 M3 with the high revving V8 before that. I've experienced both sides of the power/torque argument as it were.

The E60 M5 scares me a bit reliability wise.

[visualguy]

Originally Posted by Bbb34

What car today do you feel handles better than F10 in the same class?

Audi A6/S6, and Lexus GS350. Possibly Cadillac CTS as well - I haven't driven the latest one.

[Royce Martin]

Originally Posted by adc

No, a 535xi as a DC and family runabout.

I already have an M3 for hardcore thrills, and I've had the E90 M3 with the high revving V8 before that. I've experienced both sides of the power/torque argument as it were.

The E60 M5 scares me a bit reliability wise.

The E60 5 series is cool but, the F10 is exponentially much better. Just my opinion.