[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Not a good point because that only applies too long distance road trips. 99% of the time you'll be fine charging at home.

Maybe charging at home to feel good.

14 miles will be enough to get you to a gas station.

Go 100% Electric with the eModels BMW or simply GO Home.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Go 100% Electric with the eModels BMW or simply GO Home.

5 years - 2021 for a fully electric sedan according to BMW themselves. By then BMW would also need to be price competitive for the market that Tesla will have created and will be thriving in. Looks like BMW at least has 1) carbon fiber tech to reduce weight and 2) good styling. Other than that, I'm not sure what they can bring to the table for this growing market.

BMW is not ahead in technology - i.e. no software updates - have to buy a whole new car for new iDrive features. No autonomous driving, just driver assist. No charging network.

[ORIGIN M.]

The majority of the car industry will be up shit-creek without a paddle by 2020!

Originally Posted by zenmaster

5 years - 2021 for a fully electric sedan according to BMW themselves. By then BMW would also need to be price competitive for the market that Tesla will have created and will be thriving in. Looks like BMW at least has 1) carbon fiber tech to reduce weight and 2) good styling. Other than that, I'm not sure what they can bring to the table for this growing market.

BMW is not ahead in technology - i.e. no software updates - have to buy a whole new car for new iDrive features. No autonomous driving, just driver assist. No charging network.

[MSCD]

Both are good options, trying to remove the reliance purely on fossil fuels. Right now Tesla's are cool and nice to drive.... But the S is a different animal to the 3. Not sure that the Tesla model 3 is direct competition for the 330e? Personally I would have the S or 330e in my garage, the model 3 would be too small for my needs. I am sure both will sell. The i3 is a novelty but I am not a fan of the design.

[FogCityM3]

Not sure how the "you'll have to wait for the #1 electric car in the midsize class, but instead of that, you can settle for a BMW that's kind like a real electric car but at least you can drive it right now" message really helps promote any product superiority. Almost like an admission that the product is inferior and the only selling point is instant gratification. Kind of a dumb marketing decision, IMO.

[JamRWS6]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

5 years - 2021 for a fully electric sedan according to BMW themselves. By then BMW would also need to be price competitive for the market that Tesla will have created and will be thriving in. Looks like BMW at least has 1) carbon fiber tech to reduce weight and 2) good styling. Other than that, I'm not sure what they can bring to the table for this growing market.

BMW is not ahead in technology - i.e. no software updates - have to buy a whole new car for new iDrive features. No autonomous driving, just driver assist. No charging network.

Like the autonomous driving tech that has killed multiple? No thanks

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Two significant challenges for 330e are the low cost of oil; and that the car just looks like all the other 3 Series' on the road. EV buyers value vehicles with curb appeal that screams ECO. A 3 Series doesn't send that message.

[bluekn8286]

BMW 330e = Little Caesars ("Hot and ready right now, but doesn't taste amazing")

Tesla Model 3 = Pizza Chicago ("Takes a long time, but when it is done....DELICIOUS")

I'll wait while everyone else enjoys their mediocre pizza

[MCarsFan]

Loving this ad.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

I ordered Tesla because I hate to deal with the greedy dealers that ruins my experience.

And some bad practices of "established" car makers (intentionally making certain parts to break/stain over certain time).

Im hoping the new carmaker have less of the above.

You think that Tesla is less greedy by not having actual dealers and selling cars at higher prices? The government has piped money into them and they still need about 1B to continue to function in the third quarter. You never know which car will last longer, but tesla's battery tech and cooling technique is the oldest on the market. This explains the size of the battery pack and their limitations at max output. Maybe the model 3 will be better, but I wouldn't count on it. I saw a tests vehicle in person this past week and I wouldn't say it looked as appealing as the model S in any way. Thankfully nothing is as ugly as the model X. Not that I would ever purchase any model they offer, just my .02. I wouldn't trust that they continue to stay in business, unlike most of the other auto makers in today's market.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by JamRWS6

Like the autonomous driving tech that has killed multiple? No thanks

Ridiculous reason. Manual driving tech has killed millions more by that way of thinking. You really should bother to understand the limitations of the tech and its driver requirements sometime.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Two significant challenges for 330e are the low cost of oil; and that the car just looks like all the other 3 Series' on the road. EV buyers value vehicles with curb appeal that screams ECO. A 3 Series doesn't send that message.

Well the 3 series has had pretty much the same body style since 2004. But I don't think EV buyers generally want to scream ECO so much in looks but rather in function. All else being equal they would buy the car with better value.

[-c-]

Originally Posted by Pretender

You must be a troll because in fact the i3 looks like it's designed by a drunken.

How is someone in a BMW forum siding with a BMW rather than the competition a troll?

Anyway I agree with him the teslas so ho hum looking, their model 3 has a strange nose to it and hopefully they change it.

And that's a WONDERFULL thing, I can disagree with you and have my own opinion. Just like you and your opinion,

Your Opinion has ZERO weight to it just like mine. So to add to my weightless opinion The i3 is way for future thinking both in materials and the factory in which it is built than the cool aid teslas giving you to drink.

Go ahead and drive a steel bodied (model 3) laptop powered piece.

The autonomous driving shit is just that, let's do less and let the car kill you if it freaks out. One less moron. Two many variables, who are you going to let the car kill when that choice comes up. Whatever not going to hand over my freedom of driving to the computer and whomever wrote the code. Never have I thought I'd see so many get in line to give up the thrill of driving to let the car do it for you.



Sorry just tired of all the people wining about certain cars looking bad, and which one has better tech wait 4 or 8 years and it will be redone besting itself and usually the competition. First world problems baby!

Carry on.....

[PandaM3]

I'd be interested in a plug in 330e with an M sport package. Except a 14 mile all electric range just isnt enough for the majority of commuters. If it had 30 to 40 miles all electric I can make that work and can be completely electric m-f. The Chevy Volt has a really great formula... 50+ mile electric range is perfect for the m-f commute then you have the gas motor to kick in and make more electricity for weekend road trips.

14 miles only gets you to be all electric for errands around your home city.

I'll see what BMW comes up with as a replacement. Until then I've got my deposit in for a Tesla Model 3 while I commute m-f in an electric Chevy Spark and enjoy my e90 M3 on the weekends.

[kydiesel35]

What's the point... 6-7 hour charge time and 14 miles on the highway at 75mph? :

I like BMW's a lot but this doesn't make sense.

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by MThree_driver

I know a lot of people pulled out of their model 3 orders..I think that was reported in June?

It's bad business tho when a company uses deposits to fund projects. But musk is a mad scientist so who knows what he's thinking

Isn't it considered differed revenue though( not rendered, not spendable, a liability ) ? Ie solely a way to create a place in line -- not fund a project.

[HellRaizzer]

I'll wait thx...

[M3 Adjuster]

Note. Ad does not apply to the BMW M2

[Diver]

A plug in hybrid is vastly superior to a full electric in the world as it is today. Full electrics have limited range and slow recharging except at superchargers. Effecting charging stations are not on every corner. A friend owns a Tesla and has to stop to supercharge halfway to a suburb of Austin which is only 185 miles from Houston. He said the car could make it to the destination, but from there it could not reach the nearest supercharger. The hotel we were at had plugs for its local electric carts but not for guests. Let's put it this way, going traveling in a Tesla is a major project.

[3M TAPE]

Knowing that 330e can only go for 14 miles electric, yeah, I think I will wait for the Model 3 (200 miles).

[krautmeister]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Two significant challenges for 330e are the low cost of oil; and that the car just looks like all the other 3 Series' on the road. EV buyers value vehicles with curb appeal that screams ECO. A 3 Series doesn't send that message.

With you 100%

In my industry, we've done a metric ton of consumer research on the Eco or green consumer.

They all want a pat on their back or some merit badge so everyone can see what they are doing. Sure there are a few that genuinely care and have intentions of saving the planet or saving money (of which never adds up), but the majority want a cookie for their good deed.... Especially the millennials.

This all results in the awkward hybrid wedge shape.... Take a look at any hybrid offering (outside of Tesla) and the design is intentionally different (fugly) so they aren't confused with the petrol sucking monsters that we drive (I relish my 550i M Sprt F10s thirst). It's like they are martyrs for driving ugly cars so they can save the planet from petroleum use..... Nevermind the severe lack of clean energy in the US today. No one wants to do the math ever on carbon footprint.

[raysspl]

Kinda funny