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07-15-2013, 01:59 PM | #89 | |
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Can the SAT vary the shift firmness and speed between each and every shift, or even mid-shift? Can it skip 2 or 3 gears at a time? Can you up the boost momentarily by disconnecting the engine/transmission and building revs? Can you shift rapidly between reverse and forward without losing momentum? (not that this is done often, or in a 5 series especially ) The manual transmission is loved by those who love it because it can be shifted however we want, whenever we want. The weight of the car and the style or size have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. We don't care. I'd love to know how many of the manual haters/automatic professors can drive a stick with any type of advanced technique, or even drive a stick at all... Last edited by superbuick; 07-15-2013 at 03:05 PM.. |
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07-15-2013, 07:21 PM | #92 | |
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I wouldn't get one again on a car this large, heavy and since you can't hear the engine with the stock exhaust it's hard to tell what the engine is doing anyway, it's harder to rev match...and with so much other sh*t to manage with your free hand.....meh. Get over yourself. Oh, and the reason you have to shift from 1st to 3rd is because you can only take 1st up to about 5 miles per hour before you have to find 2nd if you want to shift smoothly, at which point you might as well go for 3rd. Derp.
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07-15-2013, 08:56 PM | #93 | |
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If I really wanted the enjoyment of driving stick and all the pleasures that comes with it I would get a 335, M3, Cayman, STi, FRS, Z4 etc... not a luxury car like the F10 is first. Alan |
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07-15-2013, 10:24 PM | #94 | |
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Who said anything about shifting from first to third? I certainly didn't - and I don't. I can, however, if I want to, and I and others like that. I also dont have any issues shifting smoothly from any gear into any other gears. As far as me getting over myself, and "derp" ( cool Internet slang!) owning the same car with a stick and disliking it does not make you an expert at driving stick. If you want to swing d!cks and personal insults over an Internet discussion on transmissions in a sedan, show us some credibility. Maybe some SCCA wins? NASA? LeMons? Take and post a picture of your racing trophies, with your username in the picture. I'll post mine and we'll see who the big d!ck is at advanced driving techniques, no "derp" necessary. I don't have other 'sh*t' to manage with my free hand. I'm driving, that's what my hands are being used for. Am I in the minority of people using it for that, and preferring a manual, yes. The numbers don't lie. But that doesn't take away from the fact that me, and others, bought this car specifically for the manual, and if it didn't have it we wouldn't be driving one. I'd say that's pretty cool and passionate, a great endorsement of the car, and worth sharing with the original poster who asked about the stick. |
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07-16-2013, 05:44 AM | #95 |
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Ah, but to me - that's the beauty of the F10. I get technology, luxury, practical size for a family of 4, good looks AND all of the enjoyment and pleasures of driving a manual - a combination that's near impossible to find elsewhere.
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07-16-2013, 08:33 AM | #96 |
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^^ no doubt its great that Bmw made this an option on the F10 for people like you but i'm simply stating that for me and many people here didn't elect for the manual not because we don't enjoy it or know how to drive one but rather the F10 just isn't the ideal candidate for this transmission. I'm sure its more fun than the SAT equipped car since you do have more direct control of things but in a car like this there is enjoyment with having your right hand free as well. I was a big anti automatics for the longest time but the SAT in this car really changed my opinion about it. Its a great transmission that is silky smooth and very sporty when you need it to be.
When i'm driving a manual transmission car i want to feel and hear the engine. The point is to feel connected to the car and the road. The F10 isolates the driver from the car so much and is so quiet to me it would just feel like i'm moving a stick inside the car without much involvement or feedback in return. My ideal manual car would be something like this... Bmw E92 M3 6MT Akropavic Exhaust ESS Supercharged BBS LM's KW V3 Coilovers Alan
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Not hearing the motor is a big deal. I've driven a manual for many years but I'd need to have a head up tach display to drive the F10 the way I drove my E46. If this car had been designed for a manual they wouldn't have deleted the motor sound. The other thing is I couldn't drive a manual the way this motor was designed to be driven at less than 2K most of the time.
I'm sorry to see three pedal cars disappear. It was fun to use your brain as the software that runs the car's hardware. The turning point was when sports cars went to automanual and then to DCT and started posting consistently lower numbers than manuals. That took away performance as a reason to stick with the manual and the other reason, pure fun, just won't be enough to save it except in a few specialty cars. Things change. |
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Using the F10 MT, you may feel like Fernando Alonso going back and forth to your office, but most will not. Quote:
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I never second-guessed myself when I ordered my 335i coupe when I ordered it with manual tranny. Its the control of the rev's and hearing the engine that made it exciting...
I did the same thing when I ordered the f10...in SAT. I wouldn't hear shit with a manual tranny. As another poster said, having to shift from 1st - 2nd driving your first 5 yards is a nuisance... IMO, it just doesnt suit a cruiser car..and I have a 550. If i want to play 'manual', I'll just use the SAT options
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07-16-2013, 02:28 PM | #100 |
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If you stretch the arguments all the way on going automatic on the 535i, you might as well get a 535d right away.
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I wonder if this one comes with a manual |
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07-18-2013, 06:28 AM | #103 | |
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If that's your ultimate goal - to shave 3/10ths of a second off your 0-60 runs, then yes - the computer shifts faster than a human and an auto is the way to go. However, if you are looking for engagement and more control over your driving experience, a manual can give you that. Is the F10 quiet? Yep. Is it still fun to shift it myself. Yep. Most people I talk to with SAT's don't use the paddles very often, if at all. So it's one pedal for go and the other for stop? That's always been a pretty lame experience for me. |
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07-18-2013, 02:36 PM | #104 |
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Do the M-sport and 550 have different gear ratios? In first gear, I'm at 800rpms at 5mph, 1500 at 10, and around 3250 at 20mph. Thats pretty much in line with almost every other stick shift I own (4) give or take a hundred rpms. The "i need to shift into second at 5mph" line doesn't make sense. Or maybe did they put a lower gear in the newer ones? Mine's an '11.
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its not just me, just about every car companies feels that way as well. That is why the mid size luxury sedan with stick shift are almost extinct and that is why BMW is phasing out the manual transmission option in the F10.
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07-19-2013, 05:44 PM | #110 |
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I smell the return of the troll . . .
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