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03-02-2017, 06:49 PM | #1 |
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F10 Gurus - Educate Me!!
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I've been lurking around trying to do my homework and with all the wealth of info on this site it's getting a bit confusing. I just got out of my N62 650 and was heavily leaning towards a 2013 F10 550 but after reading about problems with the N63 motor it's not an automatic "slam dunk" for me at the moment. Enter the 535... My 650 was modded (suspension, exhaust, air) but the F10 (535 or 550) will allow me to really make some mods and have fun on the road! Question 1 Pure Turbo Stage 1 is said to give up to 70hp depending on other mods. How much HP should be expected for Stg 1 on a stock motor with no mods? I also "picked up" that the JB4 is required along with the Stg 1 to manage the motor..... Does the JB4 "add" to the Stg 1 for even more gains or does it manage the gains of the Stg 1? Stg 1 + DP + JB4 = Approximately how much power ? Sorry for all the questions hope you guys will chime in. Thanks in advance. Last edited by bigscore; 03-02-2017 at 07:11 PM.. |
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If I upgraded my turbo PS1 I could be possibly in the low 400's whp range, but that's because I have pwg turbo and stand to gain more on PS1. You would not if you're an ewg turbo, you have to go PS2 as I understand it the ewg stock turbo and PS1 are comparable. A few others can chime in here. Now, a stock 550 has the ability to flash tune to 600 whp on all stock hardware provided you go the flash route. Piggy back on the 550 might get you in the high 4's. That said, piggy back on a 535 will net about 310whp. If your plans are to mod when you get the car go 550. Make sure to get a 2013 model or higher.
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Best to go 2014+ 550 and get the N63Tu powerplant.
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Good to know so when I make the crossover to 550
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03-03-2017, 09:41 PM | #6 |
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+1 on the 2014+ lci 550. The N63tu might not be problem free but overall the engine is much more reliable then the N63 on the pre lci cars. Make sure you get a car with CPO or even CPO Platinum warranty as it will really pay off. However If you decide to go with 2011-13 cars make sure it has the customer care package done if buying the vehicle from a third party.
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550 definitely has the potential to become a serious beast with mods. But saying a modded 535 still cant compare to a stock 550 is just not true. My 535 is fbo minus fmic and a stock 550 is slower. Now that im running stage 2 lpfp running e50 i leave them in the dust. Pre and post 2014
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Tune yes, full bolt on minus the intercooler. Running e50 yes and still have room for more. Sorry the post confused me a little saying modded with stock hardware minus dp. With just tune and downpipe no probably won't take a 550. Full bolt on you will for sure.
Have you raced one? My good friends bro in law has a 2012 550 completely stock, if i can get up with him soon, ill make a video and post it when i get back from hawaii Last edited by AlpineWhite13; 03-04-2017 at 12:26 AM.. |
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The 550 is also roughly 300 lbs heavier then a 535i, not that would make much of a difference. With full bolt ons+ E50 on stock turbo and assuming the reaction times for both drivers are the same, I guess you can hang with it up to 80 miles from a dig, or pull roughly one car length if he has problems hooking off the line. I don't see you having a chance at all from a roll if traction is not an issue for him as 550i are highway monsters. FYI: I've never raced a 550 before but I have raced my cousins 750i x drive (N63) on a closed course and I barely pulled a half car length on him from 60-120. Those cars are 400 lbs heavier then the 550, roughly (4600lbs) so you get the idea how strong these cars pull. I was running a mixture of 91/race gas.
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If im not mistaken the 550 curb weight is about 4360, the 535 is about 4060. Yes that makes a difference. Ive raced 3 different 550i's 2 of them on the highway from about a 50 and 60 roll and one from the dig and rolls cuz i know the guy through a friend. A fbo 535 will beat a 550. How many guys on here have actually raced one and what were ur mods.
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2012 550 is slower than 2014+ 550 stock lol ; I've seen FBO EnzoTuned 550xi destroying M5 CP Bms stg1 on roll with a 2013 (FBO/550xi tuned) as camera car couldn't keep up.
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As of right now, it's hearsay Anyway, I don't see the point in this debate. You should expect to win if you tapped out on mods for the platform. Spend 5 minutes and throw even a $300 S1 Piggyback on the 550 and the 535i will not win any time of the day, week, month, or year. A FBO 335i E90 could walk all stock F10's including the M5. What's the point here? Last edited by SLVSRFR; 03-04-2017 at 09:27 PM.. |
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Exactly, its hearsay for anyone who hasnt been in or seen a race with the two. I have
FBO minus fmic meaning jb4 map 7, downpipe , chargepipe, intake, stage 2 lpfp ,e50. Thats not tapped out on mods Nope no timestamps or dyno. Im speaking from my personal experience. Im not debating anything other than that. Thats the point. Last edited by AlpineWhite13; 03-04-2017 at 10:25 PM.. |
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Also maybe DriverMod? 3-5 back to back pulls? I haven't seen a 535 break 370whp yet, the most i saw was 350whp/450wtq Not sure who has dyno'ed their N63 here but I think badblack550xi knows. I just saw a N63TU dyno at 406/466 (SAE/5) stock so even that will destroy a 535 (V8 linear vs N55 dead after 5500rpm)
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I wouldn't even consider that an accomplishment really. My modded 550 could possibly beat a stock M5, that isn't an amazing feat. Stock '11 550 Dyno'd at 386/439 I know for a fact, if I removed my tune, intakes, and dps. You wouldn't 'leave me in the dust' with those mods. Last edited by SLVSRFR; 03-05-2017 at 02:46 AM.. |
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Your right it's not an accomplishment. A modded car beating any stock car isnt much of one. The reality of it is theres no basis for you or anyone else to say it cant happen unless you know what you are talking about or have substantial proof. Do u know of a fbo 535 on a heavy e mixture being dyno'd or on a 1/4 mile, If so what were the numbers? And what were the mods of the 535 1/4 mile that u say u know of? U have a 550 so its understandable to be a little bias . But you are wrong
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