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You don't have to keep arguing with me. Just go hold up a large piece of white paper at 15 feet or park 15 ft away from a wall. Disable your low beam and have only your fogs on. Move out to 30 ft and 60 ft. Come back and tell me the results. You seem to confuse beam distance with angles. Beam distance is the result of vertical height placement and angle. Quote:
Why do you think BMW decides to disable fog by default unless you intentionally turn it on and have to redo it every time you turn the car on? because it blinds people! HIDs don't usually blind people because their housing is usually really good at concentrating the beam. The problem is usually with poorly aimed HIDs cause it's broken or people with aftermarket kits. Some people just plain switch out their halogen bulb for an HID set up without changing to projector lamps. There's millions of them on the road. |
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Were fog lights aimed high their purpose would be defeated. That's why one shouldn't use high beams in fog; all it does is light up the moisture in the air making it that much harder to see. Fog lights are supposed to be aimed "under" the fog so the road/lane markings are visible. Driving lights are a different animal.....
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There is no point in debating with people doesn't know that aim means angle instead of distance. Enjoy your ignorance and continue to piss other drivers off with your fog lights.
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03-04-2015, 01:31 PM | #27 | |
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Its worth noting from an insurance perspective, that if you did dazzle a driver because your being arrogant driving around with your FOG lights on in normal conditions, and they then drift off course and have a head on crash with you or crash into you. And there is any witnesses and/or the driver says I was blinded by his fog lights he had them turned on when it was clear. You can say hello to going to prison for "gross negligence" if you hurt them, hello to big fines, hello to insurance increases. Its really not worth it is it? Hence why its illegal in most countries. They don't just think I know what lets make fog lights illegal in anything but the fog because we don't want people looking cool Lets face it you wouldn't have this argument in court the judge would laugh in your face. Read this: http://goo.gl/8jK7Hf I've also listed a good photo of a big fog light I saw Last edited by youknowluke; 03-04-2015 at 01:39 PM.. |
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Really, is that what aim means? Next thing you going to do is tell me how to turn on my headlights You sound like a broken record. Fog lights are suppose to be aim low. You admit to aiming your fog lights high, that why you are blinding other drivers. I am surprise the police hasn't pull you over yet. I drive with fog lights on sometimes and have never gotten a high beam flash from other drivers. It is the aftermarket lighting that is aim incorrectly that cause problem for other driver.
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youknowluke, no need to call me stupid and an idiot. Let try to keep this debate civilize. I can assure you that the aftermarket HID bulb you are about to put into your car will be more blinding than another OEM fog lights. We do not have rear fog lights here in the US, if front fog lights are meant for fog only, it would be yellow or orange, not LED.
I think what we have here is a case of cultural difference. Police here would not give a damn if you drive around with your fog lights on. Again, if fog lights are aim properly, it does not blind people. However, in the US, there is a law against what you are doing, which is retrofitting an after HID bulb into a car that is not design for it. Last edited by The X Men; 03-04-2015 at 01:57 PM.. |
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If you look at the attached photo I think this is for headlights but if its like this for headlights its likely to be the same for fog lights. Here in the UK I've never seen LED fog lights, apart from some cars like Volvos have and LED style DRL which is low down like a fog light. Here in the UK we just have a round reflector with a H7 50w halogen bulb in it, there is no beam aim or anything the beam is just dispersed in all directions hence it can dazzle you. I've just been to the gym and gone past 2 tw*** driving with HID kits installed in reflector housing with HID fogs on!!! I nearly smashed into them to teach them a lesson. As for me putting HID kit in projectors, the projectors for halogen have a narrower beam than HID because the beam isn't as strong for halogen so can't cover as much ground (less lumens) Also headlight washers seriously I had them on my Audi A4 and they were useless, better than nothing but I always am cleaning my headlamps for optimum visibility. I have electronically variable dampers option with rear wheel steer on my car, this actually incorporates ECASS technology which is in simple terms, auto levelling suspension. So in actual fact because of my narrower beam and the same cut off. Ill just be as likely to blind anybody as someone with BMW Bi-Xenon headlamps. Its worth mentioning that the adaptive sus & rear wheel steer was not standard on the F10. But the box got ticked on mine. Its also worth saying that with all the idiots on the roads with fog lights on all the time, stupid HID retrofits into reflectors etc I couldn't care less about my HID kit. FYI by the way, I don't even use my fogs. Only in very very poor visibility would I switch on both front and rear fog lights. Its a once a year switched on light. |
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03-05-2015, 09:34 AM | #32 | |
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http://www.edmunds.com/lexus/nx-200t...eatures-specs/ All the US version of the LCI F10 comes with LED fog lights, are they still halogen in the UK? Amber parking light in the US are use for live parking and function as corner markers, I usually use the hazard light in that situation instead. Fog light pattern should be different from low beam pattern, fog lights are not use to light up road signs, BTW, US HID beam patterns is not flat across the top, it is higher on the right side of the projector. Again, if fog lights are properly aim, they will not blind oncoming traffic as much as HID low beams. Like your said, it is the aftermarket installers with their aftermarket HID kids in the fog light housing that is the problem. That's why I think some of these European lighting laws are outdated, they should really target the aftermarket abuser like the US lighting laws. In the US, there is also an annual safety inspection that check for improperly aim headlights. I had HIDs in halogen projector before, the beam is not as wide and not as strong as a HID projector, you are better off looking for a HID projector conversion. I use my fog quite a bit when I am driving on dark country road and I never had a problem with other cars that also have their fogs on, its the aftermarket installs that blinds me sometimes. |
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03-05-2015, 01:09 PM | #33 | |
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LEDs in fog lights is just a joke, its common sense that fog is white, so are LEDs so they'll just blend in together. My halogen fogs really helped me when I had Bi-Xenon lights in my old Passat in fog as the Bi-Xenons were worse than Halogens because of the colour. |
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03-05-2015, 01:54 PM | #34 | |
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The pre-LCI F10 use H7 for fog and MSport use H11, they are aim so low that the beam doesn't go above the knee. I wonder if the European models are aim differently. LED fog lights function more like a driving light, they are useless in fog. |
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Where did I say you change your OEM light? Fog lights are not illegal in the US, if you get blinded by oem foglights that are aim properly, you must have real sensitive eyes or other medical problems. Last edited by The X Men; 03-05-2015 at 03:51 PM.. |
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If you look at the scatter its a circle nearly exactly like the circle housing it sits in. Just to say the fog lights are as bright as the low beam headlights ! and are not aimed at the ground just closer to the ground but as you can see I'm standing and I'm 6ft 3 and the beam is still catching the camera from all angles. I stood on the side of the passing traffic aswell and you can see when the fogs are on it stretches across the road into oncoming traffic this is so in the fog we can see oncoming traffic. Having these on in the day here in the UK is dangerous and illegal full stop. Driving with fogs on in the day doesn't really matter because your eyes are adjusted to the brighter surroundings but at night it dazzles you as your eyes aren't. Driving with your fogs on is probably like driving with your full beams on for you americans and you wouldn't do that would you!! My fogs have never been tampered with and still have the original bulbs and trust me you don't have sensitive eyes just look at the photos the proof is there you can see the beam scatter all around the car it looks like a lighting disaster. |
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My LED fog lights are actual brighter than my old halogen fog lights and yet, they are less glaring due to their design. Fog lights now a days is more of a name sake, they should really be call driving lights as they do not function well in fog. I don't think I have ever been blinded by oem fog lights before, its the aftermarket HID kits in fog housing that I have a problem with. If I am driving on a dark road, I use my driving lights and so do other drivers. If these driving lights are unsafe, BMW would have never put them in their cars. If these lights were only intended to be use foggy conditions, BMW would have never use LED lights due to its poor performance in fog. |
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I don't know why you keep arguing this. youknowluke even went out of his way taking a picture to show you fogs are a distraction to other drivers. If you still don't believe other people, then why don't you just stand 100 feet away from your car at night and tell me which lights are more distracting. It will the the fog lights because it's aimed higher lol. That is unless you have HID headlights and weak halogen fogs. Last edited by 493263; 03-06-2015 at 12:28 PM.. |
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493263, obviously, you do not have a good understanding of light patterns. A properly design fog light has a wide beam pattern (70 degrees to 120 degrees) with a sharp, flat cutoff on top. The beam should never go above 2 or 3 feet or so. I just do not see how you can get blinded by a beam that is properly aimed.
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1. Most roads are not perfectly flat. Fog lights are aimed only a few degrees lower than the horizontal line. That means the slightest bump/curve/etc.. in the road will blind other drivers. Low beams are aimed at a much lower angle making that chance lower. 2. Fog lights are not lasers, the beam spread over the distance. It doesn't have to be aimed directly at someone's eyes to blind them. 3. Fog light housing are not deep enough to keep the the vast majority of light(the beam) concentrated to a certain angle and direction. Hence why even if you had a cutoff, the light will still bleed past that. You can't see why you can get blinded by a fog light? Did you bother to even look at the pictures above or are you just spamming the forum? Why are more places making fog lights illegal for normal use? I keep asking you the same questions and laying out the same facts explaining it many different ways to help you understand. But I understand now that you would rather be a self absorbed bigot. At this point, I don't think there's anymore anyone can do. You're just going to drive like an idiot with your fogs on thinking it won't blind other drivers. |
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