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      11-13-2017, 05:30 PM   #1
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N63 550i Drivetrain Malfunction

Currently have JB4 Beta and N63intakes installed and getting Drivetrain malfuction.

Spark Plugs were changed for Burger Tuning suggested Stage 1 NGK.

what are the operating numbers of HPFP and LPFP?



These are the codes retrieved from the car:

2017-11-08 08_10_00:
1F0201 No Description Found
102901 No Description Found
118501 No Description Found
140801 misfires, cylinder 8: injection is switched off
140701 misfires, cylinder 7: injection is switched off
140001 misfires, more cylinders: injection is switched off


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when did you start getting the codes ?
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      11-19-2017, 04:46 PM   #3
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Currently have JB4 Beta and N63intakes installed and getting Drivetrain malfuction.

Spark Plugs were changed for Burger Tuning suggested Stage 1 NGK.

what are the operating numbers of HPFP and LPFP?



These are the codes retrieved from the car:

2017-11-08 08_10_00:
1F0201 No Description Found
102901 No Description Found
118501 No Description Found
140801 misfires, cylinder 8: injection is switched off
140701 misfires, cylinder 7: injection is switched off
140001 misfires, more cylinders: injection is switched off


Thank you
I had the same issue with the drive train malfunction when I installed my JB4 Beta. Although my car throws no codes. Ive worked with Terry with no luck. We ran through different boost levels trying to sort it out and we never found the issue. I am now running stock because I dont have the patients or time to try to sort this out. Honestly pretty disappointing.

Ill stay posted to see if you find a resolution. Good luck to you!!
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      11-19-2017, 09:19 PM   #4
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Maybe you need new coilpacks

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      11-22-2017, 06:28 PM   #5
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Mileage on the engine?
What are stage 1 NGK plugs? 1 step colder?
Gaps on the plugs?
What is your FOL set to?
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      11-22-2017, 07:10 PM   #6
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Update:

Finally got some time to work on car.
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Helped with finding out codes meaning
1st code had to do with JB4 and DME
2nd MAF
3rd Vaccum Leak

Popped the hood and Intake on driver side had come loose so there was a leak there. (Brother helped with install, always inspect work)

Rewired JB4 and connected BCM as well.

Started car and Cleared codes
and immediately "Drivetrain Malfunction" comes on and I receive a code as well.
119001 Rail Sensor short circuit +

I cleared codes twice and same outcome.



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Probably. What would be best packs to get? Some say OEM but I've read post on this other brand from turkey(or something like that).

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52,000 miles
NGK 1 step colder
Gaps were set to 0.022
FOL factory settings unless Map 2 changes it. (i was running map2)
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      11-22-2017, 07:38 PM   #7
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Double check all your JB4 to DME wires.
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      11-22-2017, 07:42 PM   #8
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My Map 1 is an additive map for 4psi over stock/flash with BCM optional.
My Map 2 is an absolute map for 15psi peak targetting with BCM required.
Are yours the same?

Go into Settings, scroll down to FOL and what number is that? Mine was stock at 60, I've since bumped it up to 80 and it stopped my reduced power warnings. I know you've gotten help from Terry, but he seems to be dropping the TT V8's like a bad habit since everyone's issues aren't solved easily over a few emails, so maybe it's worth a try.
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      11-22-2017, 09:24 PM   #9
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I checked earlier and the setting showed FOL @ 60. But I'll double check tomorrow.

I definitely look into bumping the FOL to 80 when vehicle is on the road.

I'm going to try to isolate the wires that are throwing the codes (BCM or Fuel Control).


I'll check back when updates tomorrow.
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      11-22-2017, 09:35 PM   #10
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Yeah, try bumping up the FOL...worst thing that'll happen is you might get a CEL and a 310B overboost code that can be reset. I'm just taking a guess but if you've getting these codes on Map 0 then it's a wiring issue since technically the JB4 isn't supposed to be doing anything vs say Map 4 where it still has CANBUS active.
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My Map 1 is an additive map for 4psi over stock/flash with BCM optional.
My Map 2 is an absolute map for 15psi peak targetting with BCM required.
Are yours the same?

Go into Settings, scroll down to FOL and what number is that? Mine was stock at 60, I've since bumped it up to 80 and it stopped my reduced power warnings. I know you've gotten help from Terry, but he seems to be dropping the TT V8's like a bad habit since everyone's issues aren't solved easily over a few emails, so maybe it's worth a try.
I thought a BCM wasnt required for Map2 but only for Map6 and 7...
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I'm not trying to muddle an N63 thread with my S63 experiences, but it's my understanding that Terry figured out the N63 JB4 worked on the S63 after a customer brought an X6M in person to the shop and we supposedly share the same or at least a very similar DME. With that said, here's my JB4 map and steering wheel settings (I've adjusted 0-4 and 6-7 speedo stuff, 5 and 8-14 I haven't tried) that I have used.
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I'm not trying to muddle an N63 thread with my S63 experiences, but it's my understanding that Terry figured out the N63 JB4 worked on the S63 after a customer brought an X6M in person to the shop and we supposedly share the same or at least a very similar DME. With that said, here's my JB4 map and steering wheel settings (I've adjusted 0-4 and 6-7 speedo stuff, 5 and 8-14 I haven't tried) that I have used.
N63 JB4 BETA Maps are different than what you’ve listed
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What about steering wheel controls? Those were stolen from an N54 thread yet they still work, minus the ones I haven't tried. I'll edit/delete my post if none if this is applicable here.
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N63 JB4 BETA Maps are different than what you’ve listed
Yes very different
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Edited...I'll delete the whole post if the settings don't work either.

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Update

So i changed 2 pin connector that didn't look so good from BCM.

Connected Fuel Control and BCM wires.
Upon starting car Drivetrain Malfunction comes on along with the code 119001: rail sensor short circuit +
Turned vehicle off and disconnected battery.

Disconnected BCM wires and left Fuel Control connected.
Turned Vehicle on and same results. (Drivetrain Malfunction and 119001 code).
Turned vehicle off and disconnected battery.

Disconnected both Fuel Control and BCM.
And No Problems!!!

So I'm assuming something is wrong with JB4?
Currently emailing Jon from Burger Tuning to see what he recommends.
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Update

After a couple of emails back and forth, JB4 left manufacture with Purple male and female wires switched.

Will be waiting on some pin connectors to be sent out to me.
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My Map 1 is an additive map for 4psi over stock/flash with BCM optional.
My Map 2 is an absolute map for 15psi peak targetting with BCM required.
Are yours the same?

Go into Settings, scroll down to FOL and what number is that? Mine was stock at 60, I've since bumped it up to 80 and it stopped my reduced power warnings. I know you've gotten help from Terry, but he seems to be dropping the TT V8's like a bad habit since everyone's issues aren't solved easily over a few emails, so maybe it's worth a try.
I thought it was ok to run MAP 2 without the BCM?
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Maybe the N63 settings are different, but per this table, it says a BCM is needed. I don't know what'll happen without it though.

Edit - table removed
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Maybe the N63 settings are different, but per this table, it says a BCM is needed. I don't know what'll happen without it though.
Not the same - map 2 for JB4 does not need BCM
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...map 2 for * N63 JB4 doesn't need BCM. Post the JB4 settings here and it'll answer everyone's question now and in the future.
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