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      09-11-2015, 03:19 PM   #1
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Lease ending buy or sell?

I am currently leasing a 2013 535 and my lease ends in 6 months. I am thinking about purchasing the vehicle. My contract says I can buy the car for $37,000 at the end of the lease. I am looking for a replacement and I am thinking about selling it to Car Max and get a 528 either a 2012 or 2013 having around the same mileage. I could save my self-close to $7,000 to 8,000. I have seen several 2012 528 in the $28000-$30,000 range with the same options I have with the car I am currently leasing. I want to change color to Alpine white also. My question is will I be disappointed in the power loss going from the six cylinder turbo to the 4 cylinders Turbo.
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      09-11-2015, 03:55 PM   #2
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My question is will I be disappointed in the power loss going from the six cylinder turbo to the 4 cylinders Turbo.
I would say "probably yes", but that depends on your driving style and preference, engine in 528 is far from horrible and many are perfectly happy with it.

You're also not comparing "apples to apples", yours is 2013 with "better" engine, and 528 you listed are 2012. As for what to do, and note that his is just my logic. Assuming same age, price options and mileage, I'd rather keep the car I've driven for the past 2-3 years than buy one someone else did.

If your primary concerns are price, different color and you don't mind going to smaller engine, pretty straight forward decision then I'd think.
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I am currently leasing a 2013 535 and my lease ends in 6 months. I am thinking about purchasing the vehicle. My contract says I can buy the car for $37,000 at the end of the lease. I am looking for a replacement and I am thinking about selling it to Car Max and get a 528 either a 2012 or 2013 having around the same mileage. I could save my self-close to $7,000 to 8,000. I have seen several 2012 528 in the $28000-$30,000 range with the same options I have with the car I am currently leasing. I want to change color to Alpine white also. My question is will I be disappointed in the power loss going from the six cylinder turbo to the 4 cylinders Turbo.
BMW leases are designed to make you continue leasing BMWs, with low lease rates and high buyouts. At $37,000, the buyout is well above street value. Depending on miles and condition, you can get a 2013 535i for under $30,000. If you pay $37,000, then it should be a CPO model with the 100k warranty, something you won't get if you just cut BMW a check. And that is the point. BMW does not want you to buy the car. They want to take it back and certify it to make an even bigger second round of profit through the CPO program.

That said, I am very happy with the balance of power and fuel economy in my 528i.
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While I have bought the vast majority of my cars, why not just do a new lease for a new 528i if that's what you want. As it has been noted, I would NOT pay more for your own car unless CPO was included (which I doubt) and I would not pay more if the retail price was less than your residual price. Drive some 528is to judge yourself.
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You should never buy your own lease. Although you know the previous owner, the cost is way too high. Even if you are over mileage and need to pay a penalty, you are better off leasing new, buying new or CPO. I leased my E46s and bought the others.
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I don't think you would miss the power going from a 535 to a 528. Honestly, I have driven a few 535s as loaner cars and had a hard time telling the difference in power.
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I don't think you would miss the power going from a 535 to a 528. Honestly, I have driven a few 535s as loaner cars and had a hard time telling the difference in power.
The difference in acceleration is fairly significant especially as speed increases.
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I don't think you would miss the power going from a 535 to a 528. Honestly, I have driven a few 535s as loaner cars and had a hard time telling the difference in power.
Sorry but I have to disagree here.

Without looking up exact specs for 528, if I recall correctly, we're talking 60ish HP less and no twin turbo. I don't get how you couldn't tell the difference between the two. As I said before, There's nothing wrong with 528, but difference is fairly significant in my opinion.
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I don't think you would miss the power going from a 535 to a 528. Honestly, I have driven a few 535s as loaner cars and had a hard time telling the difference in power.
Sorry but I have to disagree here.

Without looking up exact specs for 528, if I recall correctly, we're talking 60ish HP less and no twin turbo. I don't get how you couldn't tell the difference between the two. As I said before, There's nothing wrong with 528, but difference is fairly significant in my opinion.
On paper you would think so but my butt dyno wasn't that impressed.
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On paper you would think so but my butt dyno wasn't that impressed.
Ha ha, good one

For the record, I was talking about the same thing, how I felt behind the wheel of each, not their spec. sheets. I was definitively able to tell the difference, 535 is quicker to accelerate off the line, but also as the speed goes up. To me it just feels effortless comparing to 528 throughout RPM range, handles weight of the car with less effort at any speed.

That said, as I said to OP, maybe he'd miss it, maybe he wouldn't, depends on his driving style.
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Sorry but I have to disagree here.

Without looking up exact specs for 528, if I recall correctly, we're talking 60ish HP less and no twin turbo. I don't get how you couldn't tell the difference between the two. As I said before, There's nothing wrong with 528, but difference is fairly significant in my opinion.
535 doesn't have a twin turbo either. Single turbo. "TwinPower" is a marketing term.
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535 doesn't have a twin turbo either. Single turbo. "TwinPower" is a marketing term.
Right , twin-scroll, or whatever marketing term is used.
My point was more, 60HP and a turbo equal to a small European sedan "difference" in HP between the two engines.
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Right , twin-scroll, or whatever marketing term is used.
My point was more, 60HP and a turbo equal to a small European sedan "difference" in HP between the two engines.
The twin-scroll is just a 2-stage turbo. It helps deal with turbo-lag.
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      09-17-2015, 07:23 AM   #14
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On paper you would think so but my butt dyno wasn't that impressed.
Then there was something wrong with the car you drove.
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I am currently leasing a 2013 535 and my lease ends in 6 months. I am thinking about purchasing the vehicle. My contract says I can buy the car for $37,000 at the end of the lease. I am looking for a replacement and I am thinking about selling it to Car Max and get a 528 either a 2012 or 2013 having around the same mileage. I could save my self-close to $7,000 to 8,000. I have seen several 2012 528 in the $28000-$30,000 range with the same options I have with the car I am currently leasing. I want to change color to Alpine white also. My question is will I be disappointed in the power loss going from the six cylinder turbo to the 4 cylinders Turbo.
To OP, if market price is around $28k to $30k, then Car Max probably will offer the same, so selling your lease to Car Max probably will not save $7k to $8k. One option is to return the lease, and seek out other units that you like at $28-30k range. The other option is to negotiate lease buyout at $30k to lock in the savings. Do note for your car of, say, MSRP $58k, the lease already costs around $6k(interest and bank fees), so really the lease buyout needs to be at a discount of $6k or more to break even with cash purchase.
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I've heard before, but have never tried it, that you can negotiate the buyout on your car at lease end. Not sure if this can be done with BMW or not. But if they can save the time and money and sell you a used car they never have to take in, inspect, recondition, etc.. for a more reasonable price than the buyout, stands to reason they may (they'll still make a profit on you that second time). Worth asking at the very least.

Re: 528 vs 535, of course you feel the difference. The 5 is too big and heavy for the 4 banger. It holds its own way better than most people assume, but it is without question a noticeable difference.
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