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03-26-2015, 01:47 PM | #89 | |
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to a BMS thats my stage 1 numbers on a MUSTANG that is.
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oh, your sea level 93 octane stuff? Congrats! I know youre smarter than you play off on here (at least im hoping), so im going to ignore the ignorance of most of your comments and let you just be a post whore.
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Torque is pretty bad though, but that I think is due to your boost delay thing. You only had an increase of 16, where the bms is no less then 60 TQ on stage one for your N63. So your numbers are not terrible, just not as high as BMS cars. Good news is Your car stock is making good power, on 91, and at your temps in AZ. I guess just wait for a tune, but don't wait to long.. We all have waited a REALLY long time. I say if your happy with your ESS piggy your good, if you want more power go w/BMS Stage 1 or 2 until someone makes a tune for that car.
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03-26-2015, 11:35 PM | #96 | |
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Tell em bro! That dyno is reading a tad low in comparison to BMS. I guess its still early stages so we will see In the coning weeks. P.s does it really matter what settings you can put it on if all settings are "Slow, slower, Slowest" lol messing with you. Swriously let's see what happens in the coming weeks. I honestly don't want you or anyone else to get jerked around with these tuners with promise of big power. Combat was jerked around By a few big players and it was all for Not. And don't he struck gold with Gintani. Good luck brother! |
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Per his own thread http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22748 , he used 93 octane (1 can of NOS octane booster) on his stage II stuff, so of course his numbers will be higher. If you want apples to apples and AJ wants to borrow my car for the day, im sure I can do a 91/95 50/50 mix so I can have real 93 and do some real back to back dynos, however heres the thing... boost is boost. If he adds 3 lbs, and I add 3 lbs, it should make the same difference regardless of whos tuner module it is. The biggest difference is with the Burger, it adds 3 lbs at all times where as with the ESS kit, you can pick what RPM it comes in at. I havent messed with Terrys interface and the steering wheel controls so I cant comment on it, however the ease of using the ESS interface is awesome as I can pick which of the 3 tunes I want, then add or subtract boost as I see fit for octanes etc. At this second, im just driving back and forth for work, and those who dont know phoenix, at times there are more police officers on the streets than people, so I really dont care to see which ones are car friendly and which ones arent. Im off sunday and if I get time, I want to try some E85 in one tank and see how it acts, and then when that tank is done, try a 95/91 mix and see how it does with more timing. I will also put it back on the dyno eventually now that it has miles on it and see if it picked up power, and if those on here insist on a torque spike so they can compare dicks, I will see if AJ wants to do a burger similar file where it just adds blanket boost everywhere, that way I can just spin my tires and accomplish nothing (unless I get slicks or somehow an Xdrive finds its way into my drivetrain). If anyone wants to race and check out our fantastic 91 octane fuel here as well as the crappy air and heat, come on down, stay at the spare room at my house and we can go to the track or AJs dyno. I dont do bench racing, I dont care what someones car makes in another state or on another dyno, I dont care what someones car ran at another track... if youre that worred about what my car makes or does, come here and get some. |
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BMS stage 1 you are correct about w/boost being boost and all. I think the Stage 2 does other stuff, but im not sure what. I'd love to go to the track with my car, but when I have time to actually go to the track, I usually take my track bike and spend the day racing. I've never really been into just 1/4 mile tracks.
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Summer time just sucks here for going fast beacause its hot, the air sucks, and the fuel sucks. |
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U D MAN. E85 is intense lets see what happens. Also lets see what else these guys have up their sleeve with the N63. Stage 2 for BMS alters allot more then just boost and snobby Badblack actually put up really good numbers with it. Perhaps AJ has a hybrid of BMS and his own. If so then Big Powa!!!!! Anyway let's wait and see... P.s are they able to remove speed limiter or adjust launch RPM on your car? That would be a real Testament to the "Tune" they claim. |
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Ask anyone with a modes N63 and they will tell you to get the TU. |
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Since I read the thread anyway here is my take. The results provided by your new piggyback look to me to be on par with all of the other so called Stage1 boxes. So called Stage1 systems seem to add 30hp to the wheels while so called Stage2 systems seem to add 60hp to the wheels. I was hopeful your flash tuner would add 100hp to the wheels, for example. Maybe down the road this tuner or some other will step up to the plate for some legitimate before and after dyno results. |
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There is no magical box that will add 100 horsepower unless it is able to edit factory parameters, which a flash does. That being said, the difference in boxes comes from how it is applied... the burger box just adds 3 lbs all over, the ESS box allows you to feed boost in gradually and at certain RPMs, and also intercepts the MAF signals in addition to the MAP sensors with multiple tunes which are all adjustable. With a flash tune, you are able to pull timing so you can safely add more boost as well as change target air fuel ratios, fueling tables, where boost comes in and stops etc. This is where the real power comes in as you can SAFELY adjust these variables, where as ANY piggy back is just intercepting sensors and forcing them to add boost and adjust the other factors on their own. This is it, black and white. The "better" box is the one that suits your needs best. Which one that is, is up to you. |
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control. You can log runs with and without it and see timing and fueling change. Not just boost. Those are the wires you add in to the DME! The ESS has only boost control. They monitor MAF but its not used for tuning on N63.
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If going from 30whp to 60whp is easy to do with an n63 then I'd encourage you to do it. Here are the official BMS Stage1 and Stage2 n63 power figures on a 100% stock car using 93 octane fuel. I don't know if 91 octane would make any less power given the conservative nature of the timing mapping with Stage2. Your ESS tune is producing numbers on par with the $450 BMS Stage1 as I'm sure you know. I understand you've set your tune up to limit boost in the lower RPM range but I'd suggest you could also just press the gas pedal down not all the way when you want to limit boost.
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