F10 5-series sedan vs. F11 touring compared

Jason · 02-24-2010, 03:16 PM

Here are the first photos of an F10 5-series sedan right alongside the F11 5-series touring. As one can see, besides the difference in roofline and the rear design, the F11 touring retains the F10's beautiful lines and design features.

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DieselDog · 02-24-2010, 03:59 PM

I believe BMW executives are making a mistake by not certifying the F11 for sale in the USA. The Touring may be the answer to the 5-Series practical transportation question for which BMW insists the 5er GT is *THE* answer. The Touring is sleeker and sportier the the GT, and has the luxurious interior of the F10. Seems to me, these qualities make it a good comparison model to the Cadillac CTS SportWagen. I'd certainly consider it. Body-on-frame SUVs are now dinosaurs here in the USA. "Cross-overs" are getting smaller. Wagons make sense NOW and will in the immediate future, too. The GT is too big and too thirsty and will not be de-contented by BMW. The F11 will surely be available (at least somewhere on the globe) as a 520dT, 528iT, 530dT, 530iT, 535dT, 535iT, and perhaps as a 550iT. With that potential range of powertrains and price points, BMW has an extremely flexible and marketable vehicle on its hands and has potential customers salivating. Decision-makers who IGNORE this potential only continue to anger and confuse a loyal and fairly patient customer base. Substituting the GT for the 5er Touring in this market in this economy will surely be a blunder.

Come on, BMW, make the F11 available in the USA and MARKET IT as the great, sporting and luxurious practical tourer it is. You CAN see these here! And make mine a 530dT with a manual transmission, while you're at it!

bmwF10 · 02-24-2010, 04:32 PM

Any1 knows what's the prototype behind the 5er touring?

Antinontoxic · 02-24-2010, 04:36 PM

Nice parking...

bdardashti · 02-24-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselDog

Come on, BMW, make the F11 available in the USA and MARKET IT as the great, sporting and luxurious practical tourer it is. You CAN see these here! And make mine a 530dT with a manual transmission, while you're at it!

You're saying all these points for why a touring of the 5er is a great car, and I'm sure many on this board will agree with you. But the truth is, the BMW enthusiast is very small percentage of BMW's customer base. And from that small percentage, although most LIKE tourings, most aren't in the market for a car in that class, so they won't buy it either. That leaves us with a small percentage of loyal customers, who are a small percentage of BMW's overall market. Just because that super tiny percentage of customers wants a F11 doesn't mean it makes business sense for BMW. And besides, chances are a lot of the people who would have bought it 5 touring had it been available are going to instead get a 3 touring, a X3, X5 or 5GT. So BMW isn't losing a big market here.

kinan_sleiman2006 · 02-24-2010, 05:41 PM

Great parking..

sworks335i · 02-24-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bdardashti

And besides, chances are a lot of the people who would have bought it 5 touring had it been available are going to instead get a 3 touring, a X3, X5 or 5GT. So BMW isn't losing a big market here.

I would love to have purchased a 3 touring but they don't put a large enough engine in it for some reason?!

jmikeh · 02-25-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselDog

I believe BMW executives are making a mistake by not certifying the F11 for sale in the USA. The Touring may be the answer to the 5-Series practical transportation question for which BMW insists the 5er GT is *THE* answer. The Touring is sleeker and sportier the the GT, and has the luxurious interior of the F10. Seems to me, these qualities make it a good comparison model to the Cadillac CTS SportWagen. I'd certainly consider it. Body-on-frame SUVs are now dinosaurs here in the USA. "Cross-overs" are getting smaller. Wagons make sense NOW and will in the immediate future, too. The GT is too big and too thirsty and will not be de-contented by BMW. The F11 will surely be available (at least somewhere on the globe) as a 520dT, 528iT, 530dT, 530iT, 535dT, 535iT, and perhaps as a 550iT. With that potential range of powertrains and price points, BMW has an extremely flexible and marketable vehicle on its hands and has potential customers salivating. Decision-makers who IGNORE this potential only continue to anger and confuse a loyal and fairly patient customer base. Substituting the GT for the 5er Touring in this market in this economy will surely be a blunder.

Come on, BMW, make the F11 available in the USA and MARKET IT as the great, sporting and luxurious practical tourer it is. You CAN see these here! And make mine a 530dT with a manual transmission, while you're at it!

I couldn't agree more. Sadly, I think we're stuck with GT's over here. That's why my next one is going to be 3er Touring M Sport.

DieselDog · 02-25-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bdardashti

But the truth is, the BMW enthusiast is very small percentage of BMW's customer base. And from that small percentage, although most LIKE tourings, most aren't in the market for a car in that class, so they won't buy it either. That leaves us with a small percentage of loyal customers, who are a small percentage of BMW's overall market.

My point is that great companies exercise their ability to *CREATE* a market for their product through targeted advertising. BMW's marketeers seemingly spend more dollars on ultra-low volume niche markets (X5M, X6, X6M) than they do on products that seem to have broader market appeal (530d, 335i Touring). VW has CREATED and sustained broad appeal for small diesels in the USA with great success. Audi CREATED and sustained broad appeal for sporting and luxurious all-wheel drive. BMW has the potential to do likewise by incorporating a selection of high-efficiency diesels with manual transmisisons for sale in the USA under the EfficientDynamics marketing mantra. I dare them to prove me wrong.

2of4 · 03-04-2010, 10:56 AM

Would be helpful to know the breakdown of sedan & touring models sold. If touring models have sold reasonably well why would they stop? I've seen the Gran Turismo up close and I don't like it!

http://www.bimmerfest.com/images/BMW...nuary-2010.jpg

I have spoken with a long time salesman at local BMW dealership and he says F11 will come to Canada in spring of 2011. That's a long time to wait only to find out I can't have what I want. I'll be bummed out more than I am now.

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2of4 Registered Drives: 2005 VW Passat Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ontario, CDN Posts: 1 iTrader: (0)	Would be helpful to know the breakdown of sedan & touring models sold. If touring models have sold reasonably well why would they stop? I've seen the Gran Turismo up close and I don't like it! http://www.bimmerfest.com/images/BMW...nuary-2010.jpg I have spoken with a long time salesman at local BMW dealership and he says F11 will come to Canada in spring of 2011. That's a long time to wait only to find out I can't have what I want. I'll be bummed out more than I am now.