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      05-14-2010, 10:44 AM   #23
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Yea, I have no doubt that the new 550i will hit 60 in 5 flat or better
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      05-14-2010, 11:52 AM   #24
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I'll bet they accidentally picked up the 0-60 estimate for the 535i by mistake.
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      05-14-2010, 03:08 PM   #25
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I think they drove a 550i without the sport package ...
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In the U.S., the Sport Package is purely cosmetic. So it shouldn't matter performance-wise assuming it was a U.S.-spec car. All of the suspension changes are in separate packages.
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      05-14-2010, 07:12 PM   #27
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Not exactly separate: The suspension upgrades (ZDH) require the sport package (ZSP) as well.
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      05-14-2010, 08:30 PM   #28
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My estimate:
535 - 5.4-5.6sec
550 - 4.7-4.9 (especially with sport 8-speed)
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Read the post guys- it says 0-60....... 6.0 MT (est).

Est. means estimate

This was a Motor Trend First drive, NOT an actual road test with gear etc...
well maybe motor trend should do a better job with their estimates. there off by 15+% that aint no estimate they get an F in school for that estimate.
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      05-15-2010, 01:35 AM   #30
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Initially you are correct however try to build one without the sport package and it will make a difference or I am going to have someones arse for jacking me on my order!

You must order Sport Package (ZSP) with Handling Package (ZDH).

With that said the 332 rims are the biggest indicator imo for ZSP and clearly this car does not have 332's.

If that is the case they drove a 550i without:
top speed increase
electronic damping control
active roll stabilization
adaptive drive

But there is more! You must order 2VH with ZDH ... so ... add
integral active steering

In essence, driving a 550i without the sport package is like, well, not driving a 550i at all. Rock on MotorTrend!
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      05-15-2010, 03:43 AM   #31
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In essence, driving a 550i without the sport package is like, well, not driving a 550i at all. Rock on MotorTrend!
Huh? The Sport Package is nothing more than cosmetic accessories (save for the nice front seats), at least in the US. It comes with an ugly set of wheels, top speed limit increase (which we can't use legally in the US) and a few cosmetic bits like the shadow trim.

EDC and ARS should really be part of the Sport Package. I couldn't care less about the Adaptive Drive.
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Huh? The Sport Package is nothing more than cosmetic accessories (save for the nice front seats), at least in the US. It comes with an ugly set of wheels, top speed limit increase (which we can't use legally in the US) and a few cosmetic bits like the shadow trim.

EDC and ARS should really be part of the Sport Package. I couldn't care less about the Adaptive Drive.
Enigma is right so far as the U.S. is concerned.
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ZSP Sport Package
255 Sports leather steering wheel
2WC 19" wheels styling 332 (style 332)
456 Multi-contour seats
760 Shadowline exterior trim
840 Increased top speed limiter
The non-cosmetic things that actually matter on the 550i are contained in the Dynamic Handling Package:
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ZDH Dynamic Handling Package
223 Electronic Damping Control
229 Active Roll Stabilization
2VA Adaptive Drive
Of course, since you can't get ZDH without ZSP, Delvek is also right in that the lack of style 332 wheels which look like this:



tells you that this particular 550i does not have the Dynamic Handling Package or any of the included options since none of the ZDH options are available separately.

Conclusion: Motor Trend drove an F10 with none of the new suspension technology that promises to make the car a World Beater and you may safely disregard anything they said about the handling if, like me, you are going with ZDH.

I feel better now.
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      05-15-2010, 10:34 AM   #33
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Thought I spelled out clearly why "driving a 550 without the sport package is ........"
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Huh? The Sport Package is nothing more than cosmetic accessories (save for the nice front seats), at least in the US.
that`s different over here...

M-sport suspension is included in the sports package
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      05-16-2010, 03:01 AM   #35
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@ Enigma1

At 65mph the idea of adaptive drive seems unnecessary but an understanding of it coupled with prolonged driving at 110-130mph on curving roadways causes me to really be interested in its body roll elimination.
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tells you that this particular 550i does not have the Dynamic Handling Package or any of the included options since none of the ZDH options are available separately.

Conclusion: Motor Trend drove an F10 with none of the new suspension technology that promises to make the car a World Beater and you may safely disregard anything they said about the handling if, like me, you are going with ZDH.

I feel better now.
Take a closer look at the pics. The exterior shows shadowline trim and the interior shows the sport steering wheel of the sport package. Interior also shows the comfort/sport/sport plus switch of the dynamic handling package. The only thing that's not right are the rims which should be 332s.

Also, this car is equipped with the full camera package that is "not available" until September production for US models.

It's likely some sort of pre-production model.
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Take a closer look at the pics. The exterior shows shadowline trim and the interior shows the sport steering wheel of the sport package. Interior also shows the comfort/sport/sport plus switch of the dynamic handling package. The only thing that's not right are the rims which should be 332s.

Also, this car is equipped with the full camera package that is "not available" until September production for US models.

It's likely some sort of pre-production model.
Hey, you're right. Good eyes. You'd think MT would have seen fit to mention that fact and to have experimented with the different suspension modes.
Even for a "quickie," Motor Trend's review is an embarrassment.
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      05-17-2010, 05:06 AM   #38
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@ Enigma1

At 65mph the idea of adaptive drive seems unnecessary but an understanding of it coupled with prolonged driving at 110-130mph on curving roadways causes me to really be interested in its body roll elimination.
While I admit I am not as experienced with the Adaptive Drive, I don't see how it "eliminates" body roll. All it did during my test drive is to confuse me how much I had to rotate the steering wheel for the corner.

I like my steering linear so that I know exactly what the wheels do instead of a computer deciding it for me.

By the way, consider yourself lucky that you are allowed to drive 110-130 mph. If we drove anywhere near it in the US, we would be behind bars. We definitely need to import the Autobahn along with the cars.
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From BMW:

"The proven effectiveness of BMW's innovative chassis control systems, Dynamic Drive and Variable Damper Control (VDC) work closely together to deliver an outstandingly smooth ride and enhanced agility. Sensors in your BMW permanently monitor vehicle speed, steering-wheel position and the pitch and yaw forces acting on the chassis. Using this data, the system precisely adjusts the stabilisers and the dampers, changing their settings quickly and accurately. This coordinated interaction of dampers and stabilisers counteracts the forces that cause the body to roll or sway. Your BMW hugs the road, delivers neutral self-steering behaviour, outstanding agility and shorter braking distances."

For me, I am looking for the best drive I can get at prolonged high speeds and braking, these performance / handling oriented options are what I am looking for in my BMW.

I couldnt imagine owning a 535 or 550 with an eternal speed limit of 65mph, unnatural.
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While I admit I am not as experienced with the Adaptive Drive, I don't see how it "eliminates" body roll. All it did during my test drive is to confuse me how much I had to rotate the steering wheel for the corner.

I like my steering linear so that I know exactly what the wheels do instead of a computer deciding it for me.

By the way, consider yourself lucky that you are allowed to drive 110-130 mph. If we drove anywhere near it in the US, we would be behind bars. We definitely need to import the Autobahn along with the cars.
Are you actually referring to the "Integral Active Steering" option that controls the steering and wheels? I have heard nothing but praise for the "dynamic handling" pkg, which includes the electronic damping, active roll stabilization and adaptive drive, but I have heard quite a bit negative about the "Integral Active Steeing" option, that many reviewers say gives an artificial feel to the steering.
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I think the idea of a minor assist in handling from the back wheels is brilliant. When I take a long sloping turns at over 100mph I cant wait to notice it.

Can you link a review on the IAS that was negative, I personally have heard good stuff about it from current drivers. I imagine most nay sayers may be trying to justify not wanting to pay for it but I put my money where countless hours of engineering thought has been invested.
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