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      07-22-2011, 08:10 AM   #23
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tnx, and offsets?
I can't release that as it took a lot of work to get it right. If you decide to purchase they will be released to you.
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Wheels circumference quite a bit larger than stock size. Any issues?
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Not really, only about 1%.
Yup, shouldn't have much difference. Could be a problem if it's 255/35/21
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I can't release that as it took a lot of work to get it right. If you decide to purchase they will be released to you.
Well, what is right really? I'm not sure this was, as I believe they were so aggressive that luigimaster24 is getting 5mm shaved off the hub to increase the offset.
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Well, what is right really? I'm not sure this was, as I believe they were so aggressive that luigimaster24 is getting 5mm shaved off the hub to increase the offset.
You are right Luigi had rubbing but Luigi picked his own offsets because he wanted to go as aggressive as possible. The original offset suggestion was what he reverted to
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To anyone that wants to know what offsets I went with on the Forged 1 Wheels.

Fronts: 21x9 et25
Rears: 21x10.5 et35

I definitely had some rubbing issues on the rear considering I was slammed on KW V3's, however, the rubbing was minimal when I had them at the H&R spring ride height.

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To anyone that wants to know what offsets I went with on the Forged 1 Wheels.

Fronts: 21x9 et25
Rears: 21x10.5 et35

I definitely had some rubbing issues on the rear considering I was slammed on KW V3's, however, the rubbing was minimal when I had them at the H&R spring ride height.
But you still had rubbing with H&R. A bit too aggressive.....
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But you still had rubbing with H&R. A bit too aggressive.....
Yes Mlai, Still HAD rubbing with the H&R springs, although it rubbed only on very big dips with aggressive driving.
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To anyone that wants to know what offsets I went with on the Forged 1 Wheels.

Fronts: 21x9 et25
Rears: 21x10.5 et35

I definitely had some rubbing issues on the rear considering I was slammed on KW V3's, however, the rubbing was minimal when I had them at the H&R spring ride height.
BIG tnx so i need 40+ @ rr to no rub? yeah?
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But you still had rubbing with H&R. A bit too aggressive.....
This was before removing the 5mm. Using the Forged 1 recommended offsets you will not rub assuming a 255/39/21 and 295/25/21.

20x10.5 et35 = rubbing
21x10.5 et40 = no rubbing

For reference the wheels you picked up are the equivalent of 20x10.5 et42 so you will not rub. On 20" the tires have more sidewall so a less aggressive offset is required.
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To anyone that wants to know what offsets I went with on the Forged 1 Wheels.

Fronts: 21x9 et25
Rears: 21x10.5 et35

I definitely had some rubbing issues on the rear considering I was slammed on KW V3's, however, the rubbing was minimal when I had them at the H&R spring ride height.
Thanks for sharing.
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I have a question on the KWs; or any coilover for that matter. When adjusting the height (drop); i assume you have to take the wheels off each time? So the initial trial and error might consist of 3-4 on/offs of the wheels?
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Yes, i would remove the wheels to adjust the height.
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Quick ???....are the KW3's yellow springs visible at all? Thanks
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Nope..
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Hi guys, may i ask how come after taking off the the original suspension from my 535Li i discovered there's no wires or anything ?i think there must be something that may connect to the sport or comfort mode?i'm installing the V3 and i'm a little confused.did i miss something or what? Coz i think it's kinda impossible.kinda wierd.
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Originally Posted by luigimaster24
I finally came around and set some time aside, to deliver my personal review for the KW Coilovers- Variant 3 for our BMW 5 series F10.

Initially, my interest in the KW’s was only to attain the height drop that H&R springs couldn't deliver for my F10. However, I quickly found out that KWs are so much more than just a solution for a lower stance on your vehicle. I drove my F10 long enough on stock suspension, too long on H&R sport springs, and gave myself enough time to experience the KWs to be able to share my first impressions and lasting impressions on them.

Stock F10 Suspension ( Non DHP/Adaptive drive)

Most, if not all of us know what the stock suspension on the F10 feels like, unless you modified your suspension on day 1. The feeling of the stock suspension on the F10 is like a floaty boat ride which makes you feel alienated from the road. Tight cornering on my F10 with stock suspension was not pleasant, as the body roll was enough to throw my wife and I from side to side like we were doing the chicken dance. The floatiness and loose feel of the car, combined with the altitude at which my F10 stood consequently led me to swap out stock springs for H&R sport springs in hope of improved ride quality.

H&R Springs

H&R sport springs definitely helped make the F10 feel more planted, and cosmetically improved the F10’s look by lowering it a little over an inch overall. However, I was not completely satisfied with the springs for although the floatiness improved, it still remained, especially on the freeway and at higher speeds. The ride on the H&R springs was still jumpy and took a few seconds to settle back down after going through a dip . Cornering on H&R springs was definitely better than stock, although body roll still lingered enough to be very noticeable and uncomfortable when spirited driving took place. The height drop was acceptable from the H&Rs considering the price, and the ride was ok aside from the floatiness at high speeds and the lag in stabilization after a significant dip. H&Rs still left me expecting more from my BMW F10, which led me to decide on making the best investment I’ve made on my F10 as of yet. KW Coilovers.

KW Coilovers V3

The day I drove back to San Diego from Trinity Autosport after installing the KW V3’s on my F10, I simply felt like I was driving a completely different vehicle (from a ride quality stand point). My car felt planted to the ground and feedback from the road was drastically improved. Taking turns at 80mph felt like turning at 25mph, total comfortably, completely stable, and connected to the road. Going over dips where the springs compress and decompress, the car stabilized itself in a matter of milliseconds compared to H&R springs and stock where you are kept floating up and down until stable. Nose diving when braking quickly and hard was gone, the car comes to complete clean stops without jerking you or your passengers forward.

I would mention any downsides to the KWs, but IMO, there aren’t any.

I am currently dialed in at factory out of the box settings and have not played with the dampening or compression. I am very satisfied with the feel of the car and enjoy every moment driving the F10. Everything I tried to improve with H&R springs and couldn’t attain has now been completed with KW coilovers, which are definitely worth every penny.

KW coilovers are not for the faint of heart and if you don’t really care about performance, stability and complete versatility of the ride and height of your vehicle, than I would say springs or stock suspension would do you just fine.

However, If your’e looking for an aggressive suspension that TRULY performs, drastically improves the quality of your ride, totally enhances the look of your F10, and can be adjusted to the height of your liking, then KW coilovers were made just for you.



Here's a video I made showing off a few F10's on KW V3's





Stock Suspension Pictures





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KW Coilovers V3 Install @ Trinity Autosport (Thanks Joe and Nerwyll)





KW V3 Suspension Pictures



Hi, may i ask an advice from you guys?well 'm using a v3 suspension and i felt its very stiff i tried to drive my car fon an hour and got a headache, what do you think is the proper settings or adjustments? Is it the rebound or what?is it 5 or 6? It's like riding in a racing car so stiff that we keep on bouncing inside the car
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Quote:
Originally Posted by luigimaster24
I finally came around and set some time aside, to deliver my personal review for the KW Coilovers- Variant 3 for our BMW 5 series F10.

Initially, my interest in the KW’s was only to attain the height drop that H&R springs couldn't deliver for my F10. However, I quickly found out that KWs are so much more than just a solution for a lower stance on your vehicle. I drove my F10 long enough on stock suspension, too long on H&R sport springs, and gave myself enough time to experience the KWs to be able to share my first impressions and lasting impressions on them.

Stock F10 Suspension ( Non DHP/Adaptive drive)

Most, if not all of us know what the stock suspension on the F10 feels like, unless you modified your suspension on day 1. The feeling of the stock suspension on the F10 is like a floaty boat ride which makes you feel alienated from the road. Tight cornering on my F10 with stock suspension was not pleasant, as the body roll was enough to throw my wife and I from side to side like we were doing the chicken dance. The floatiness and loose feel of the car, combined with the altitude at which my F10 stood consequently led me to swap out stock springs for H&R sport springs in hope of improved ride quality.

H&R Springs

H&R sport springs definitely helped make the F10 feel more planted, and cosmetically improved the F10’s look by lowering it a little over an inch overall. However, I was not completely satisfied with the springs for although the floatiness improved, it still remained, especially on the freeway and at higher speeds. The ride on the H&R springs was still jumpy and took a few seconds to settle back down after going through a dip . Cornering on H&R springs was definitely better than stock, although body roll still lingered enough to be very noticeable and uncomfortable when spirited driving took place. The height drop was acceptable from the H&Rs considering the price, and the ride was ok aside from the floatiness at high speeds and the lag in stabilization after a significant dip. H&Rs still left me expecting more from my BMW F10, which led me to decide on making the best investment I’ve made on my F10 as of yet. KW Coilovers.

KW Coilovers V3

The day I drove back to San Diego from Trinity Autosport after installing the KW V3’s on my F10, I simply felt like I was driving a completely different vehicle (from a ride quality stand point). My car felt planted to the ground and feedback from the road was drastically improved. Taking turns at 80mph felt like turning at 25mph, total comfortably, completely stable, and connected to the road. Going over dips where the springs compress and decompress, the car stabilized itself in a matter of milliseconds compared to H&R springs and stock where you are kept floating up and down until stable. Nose diving when braking quickly and hard was gone, the car comes to complete clean stops without jerking you or your passengers forward.

I would mention any downsides to the KWs, but IMO, there aren’t any.

I am currently dialed in at factory out of the box settings and have not played with the dampening or compression. I am very satisfied with the feel of the car and enjoy every moment driving the F10. Everything I tried to improve with H&R springs and couldn’t attain has now been completed with KW coilovers, which are definitely worth every penny.

KW coilovers are not for the faint of heart and if you don’t really care about performance, stability and complete versatility of the ride and height of your vehicle, than I would say springs or stock suspension would do you just fine.

However, If your’e looking for an aggressive suspension that TRULY performs, drastically improves the quality of your ride, totally enhances the look of your F10, and can be adjusted to the height of your liking, then KW coilovers were made just for you.



Here's a video I made showing off a few F10's on KW V3's





Stock Suspension Pictures





H&R Springs Pictures





KW Coilovers V3 Install @ Trinity Autosport (Thanks Joe and Nerwyll)





KW V3 Suspension Pictures



Would you mind to share your setting like height and stiffness? Both are default box settings?
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Originally Posted by luigimaster24
I finally came around and set some time aside, to deliver my personal review for the KW Coilovers- Variant 3 for our BMW 5 series F10.

Initially, my interest in the KW’s was only to attain the height drop that H&R springs couldn't deliver for my F10. However, I quickly found out that KWs are so much more than just a solution for a lower stance on your vehicle. I drove my F10 long enough on stock suspension, too long on H&R sport springs, and gave myself enough time to experience the KWs to be able to share my first impressions and lasting impressions on them.

Stock F10 Suspension ( Non DHP/Adaptive drive)

Most, if not all of us know what the stock suspension on the F10 feels like, unless you modified your suspension on day 1. The feeling of the stock suspension on the F10 is like a floaty boat ride which makes you feel alienated from the road. Tight cornering on my F10 with stock suspension was not pleasant, as the body roll was enough to throw my wife and I from side to side like we were doing the chicken dance. The floatiness and loose feel of the car, combined with the altitude at which my F10 stood consequently led me to swap out stock springs for H&R sport springs in hope of improved ride quality.

H&R Springs

H&R sport springs definitely helped make the F10 feel more planted, and cosmetically improved the F10’s look by lowering it a little over an inch overall. However, I was not completely satisfied with the springs for although the floatiness improved, it still remained, especially on the freeway and at higher speeds. The ride on the H&R springs was still jumpy and took a few seconds to settle back down after going through a dip . Cornering on H&R springs was definitely better than stock, although body roll still lingered enough to be very noticeable and uncomfortable when spirited driving took place. The height drop was acceptable from the H&Rs considering the price, and the ride was ok aside from the floatiness at high speeds and the lag in stabilization after a significant dip. H&Rs still left me expecting more from my BMW F10, which led me to decide on making the best investment I’ve made on my F10 as of yet. KW Coilovers.

KW Coilovers V3

The day I drove back to San Diego from Trinity Autosport after installing the KW V3’s on my F10, I simply felt like I was driving a completely different vehicle (from a ride quality stand point). My car felt planted to the ground and feedback from the road was drastically improved. Taking turns at 80mph felt like turning at 25mph, total comfortably, completely stable, and connected to the road. Going over dips where the springs compress and decompress, the car stabilized itself in a matter of milliseconds compared to H&R springs and stock where you are kept floating up and down until stable. Nose diving when braking quickly and hard was gone, the car comes to complete clean stops without jerking you or your passengers forward.

I would mention any downsides to the KWs, but IMO, there aren’t any.

I am currently dialed in at factory out of the box settings and have not played with the dampening or compression. I am very satisfied with the feel of the car and enjoy every moment driving the F10. Everything I tried to improve with H&R springs and couldn’t attain has now been completed with KW coilovers, which are definitely worth every penny.

KW coilovers are not for the faint of heart and if you don’t really care about performance, stability and complete versatility of the ride and height of your vehicle, than I would say springs or stock suspension would do you just fine.

However, If your’e looking for an aggressive suspension that TRULY performs, drastically improves the quality of your ride, totally enhances the look of your F10, and can be adjusted to the height of your liking, then KW coilovers were made just for you.



Here's a video I made showing off a few F10's on KW V3's





Stock Suspension Pictures





H&R Springs Pictures





KW Coilovers V3 Install @ Trinity Autosport (Thanks Joe and Nerwyll)





KW V3 Suspension Pictures



Hi guys, may i ask how come after taking off the the original suspension from my 535Li i discovered there's no wires or anything ?i think there must be something that may connect to the sport or comfort mode?i'm installing the V3 and i'm a little confused.did i miss something or what? Coz i think it's kinda impossible.kinda wierd.
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I have to say this was a great thread to read. I just got a 2010 535! (E60) 1st BMW. Lovin it. But i feeling that very bumpy and want more control and shock absorption. This thread was very helpful. I think i will order KW street comfort. Since i wont be racing on any track but still want that tightness and control. I think the hardest part is finding a company where i live to install it the correct way.
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