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      08-17-2011, 08:23 PM   #23
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Do not get too carried away. There are several inaccuracies in those articles.
It is not an M5 with a Diesel engine.
Scott - Is this car what the "x-drive M5" really is? Or is this car in addition to the x-drive variant of the F10 M5?
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      08-17-2011, 08:43 PM   #24
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I disagree. BMW ///M always surprises us with the great engineering. Maybe I should just say BMW. Just look at the new M5 and the i8. M5 got V8 Twin PowerTurbo 560hp, and guess what? base on the information on BMW.com, it has got 31 mpg on highway! Does it drive like an M car, I believe so. i8 gets about 90 mpg, 0-60 mph in 4.6sec. I mean, really, BMW has done a lot break throughs. I still remember the first time I drove 335d, that was just amazing. I couldn't believe that's a diesel. The new 640d is even better. It is just 0.1 dec slower than 640i 0-62mph. I think most ppl are with me so far. The sad thing is they don't bring that much diesel to the US. BTW, I am a true BMW aficionado. Bimmer all the way
Nail on the head. It's the constant drive to push the envelope and be innovative in every respect that keeps me a true bmw nutter!
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what's wrong with an M5d? hope they don't use the M550d, 550dM or the 550dXM.. that's will just look stupid. why not a 560 hp M5d... why complicate things, keep it simple and clean. NO M BADGES ON REGULAR MODELS!!! I wont mind seeing a "d" next to an M5 badge but an M next to a 550d badge now that's M whoring!!
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BMW have tapped into this by mirroring typical BMW dynamics and steering communication within the new UKL cars.
You mean massive body roll, a steering system that is not connected to the front wheels, and the engine note played through the speaker system?!?!?!?!
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Oh Hell Yes! Can you say TORQUE? This thing should be able to snap necks..... and get killer mileage!!!
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Do we even offer the 535d in the US?
I heard "yes" from a person that works as a CA.
But, I am loving these diesel engines
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      08-17-2011, 10:00 PM   #28
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Yep. That 991 is looking mighty tempting.
I'm counting the minutes until it comes up. Counting the minutes.

My dad has an 06 carerra convertible.. started house sitting for him this summer (actually just don't have a place while home from college ha) and he didn't drive that for some reason.. I've made it my own over the past month or two and although it pains me to openly admit this, it's almost made me forget about the Bimmer.. I either need to finally step up from the 328 or get a god damn porsche.

It's overwhelming how fun that Porsche is. And its only the entry 911

Now I just need to convince the pops to get the 991 the day it hits dealers so I can actually drive it before I buy a 10 year old used one
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      08-17-2011, 10:18 PM   #29
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what's wrong with an M5d? hope they don't use the M550d, 550dM or the 550dXM.. that's will just look stupid. why not a 560 hp M5d... why complicate things, keep it simple and clean. NO M BADGES ON REGULAR MODELS!!! I wont mind seeing a "d" next to an M5 badge but an M next to a 550d badge now that's M whoring!!
Is this guy serious? M is supposed to produce pure driving cars. Come on. Would you really wanna see an m badge on a diesel? We're not audi! The biggest thing that puts us in front of merc and vdub.. I mean audi.. is that we're pure. We are drivers. Enthusiasts. Afficianados. And m is what defines that. And a diesel is a car that somebody will buy because its a diesel. Not because its an m.

Too many of these people....
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      08-17-2011, 10:39 PM   #30
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      08-17-2011, 11:19 PM   #31
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I have mixed feelings about this with regard to "whoring" out the Bmw brand, but I would rather have this than a 550. Gas mileage FTW and m type handling...awesome.
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Scott 26 - From memory you previously confirmed that this motor will debut with the LCI- X6- March 2012?

X6- 5.0d? approx. 360 bhp- or would the M division have their own version of the triple turbo diesel?

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500-550hp (unconfirmed) range. Torque, on the other hand, is speculated to exceed the 500lb-ft of the F10 M5 and could be north of 650lb-ft (unconfirmed)



Around 370hp & 470lb-ft would be more likely and realistic given the engine displacement.
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Got'a love those diesels. Assuming 500HP, at 3900 RPM, that is 673 ft/lbs of torque minimum, probably more. if at 4200 RPM the figure drops to 625 ft/lbs minimum. Assuming 550 HP at 3900 RPM then torque is a mininum of 740. These are just the torque numbers at peak horse power. They usually make more torque at lower RPMs. Got to love that torque
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From what Ive heard from my sources we are looking at aprox. 380-395 BHP and a wopping 750NM

This is going to be one very interesting car for the european market where diesel plays an important role. Dont expect this car to come to the US
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      08-18-2011, 01:01 AM   #36
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Diesel is more expensive than petrol in the US. In Europe it is the other way around.
Not at my local gas station and plenty others in the area. Last I checked diesel was 4.29 and petro was 4.33
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      08-18-2011, 02:10 AM   #37
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Diesel is more expensive than petrol in the US. In Europe it is the other way around.
Not in the UK it isn't, diesel is more expensive than petrol here also. 1.35/l for Petrol vs. 1.39/l for diesel according to our UK averages, thats $8.44 and $8.69 per US Gallon respectively.

edit: Actually, Super Unleaded (98 RON) is more expensive than Diesel.
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      08-18-2011, 02:16 AM   #38
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Diesel is more expensive than petrol in the US. In Europe it is the other way around.
I'm afraid in Europe and particularly in the UK diesel is more expensive than petrol. Once diesel got more popular the tax has gone up on it!

However, i will never buy another petrol car. Test drove a Porsche Cayman about a month ago and felt it was slow. Got back into my 320d which has 50% more torque and 80 less BHP than the Cayman and it felt like a rocket.
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      08-18-2011, 02:38 AM   #39
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I think the chances of 500hp are absolutely, 100% zero. The chances for over 400hp are about 10%. I predict 380hp.
+1!

And name? M550(x)d ... like the early days E28 M5 Partner M535i!
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400 to 500 hp, I would like that to be true, but I think it is going to be more like 350-360hp.
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In my country that triturbodiesel M550d would cost the same as a 550i or even more, where is the benefit in saving/mpg, THE argument for buying a dieselcar in the first place imo. Better save a bit more money for a F10 M5.

Let's see what the specs will be, I'd say 420-450BHP but never 500+....
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      08-18-2011, 03:35 AM   #42
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We'll wait and see, but it will have no rival for sure
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We'll probably get shafted in the US. We get no diesel love...we were lucky to get the 335d
There's a vested interest in not letting consumer diesels take off in the states. Does Detroit really have many offerings for diesel consumer vehicles for example? see quote from wallstreet.

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Whao ! Maybe I will see some of those anti-diesel posters forming self-help support group.
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No, but if all of us go to the dealer and demand more diesels in US then they'll come.
if enough people clamor for it, sure. but it will have to be a substantial number. Auto culture and perceptions of diesels will have to change considerably in the states though. Even here in europe diesels are not perceived on par with gas in terms of perfomance, but even Top Gear makes a case for them against hybrids.

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Diesel is more expensive than petrol in the US. In Europe it is the other way around.
diesel falls in between regular and super in the UK and some other european countries but overall you're right.
Unleaded Regular $7.97 (average) Diesel $7.26 (average)

considering how much further you can usually travel on a tank of diesel as opposed to gas the price diff/premium in the states is marginal at best

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They had better not put an ///M badge on this...

SUV's, turbo charging engines, now a diesel? They're betraying all the things that made me, and I'm sure pretty much every other true bimmer afficianado, fall in love and reapect the brand...

Upsetting..
Don't be a snob, I don't hear anyone in the mercedes community up in arms about the fact that they manufacture garbage trucks, and buses. Does that make the SLS any less of a car?
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In my country that triturbodiesel M550d would cost the same as a 550i or even more, where is the benefit in saving/mpg, THE argument for buying a dieselcar in the first place imo. Better save a bit more money for a F10 M5.

Let's see what the specs will be, I'd say 420-450BHP but never 500+....
Does the Netherlands have some sort of emissions tax? I'm sure you'll see some savings there.

It would also be a great cruiser and much more fuel efficient than a gas/petrol equivalent car. Don't forget about that.

Sporty diesels are relatively new to the market. For the M division to even seriously consider a diesel there has to be all sorts of wizardry involved which translates to high costs.
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