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      10-17-2012, 07:38 PM   #89
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New. Headlights. Really? If you bought the car for the headlights, I'm not sure a retrofit will help you.
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As far as styling goes the F10 isn't aging as well as I thought it would. So it really does need an update. Whats even more surprising is that the E60 is aging better than I thought it would.
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Nothing on this LCI really is that exciting IMO.

- LED headlights - nice feature but im not spending 2k getting it.
- Not a fan of squared off angel eyes, i like them round.
- Turn signals on mirrors - Not important
- Tailights look the same - Seem to have 5 slimmer horizontal tube lines like the E60 LCI

Interior will not change except for NAV update and new gauges.

Looking forward to:
- Updated Steering
- Better Suspension (Looking at the test mule, it still sits so high - where are the days of perfect stance with sport suspension like the E39 and E60 had ????)
- New Engines, more power
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woopty doo. they should have done this from the start. hate when BMW does this so the ones that bought the Non-LCI can kick themselves in the a$$
So we'll have a car looking the same for 7 years with zero changes? oh ok! Good thought process!
Technology changes and advancements are made all the time. They bundle em up and implement them halfway thru the model year. Makes sense?
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Nothing on this LCI really is that exciting IMO.

Looking forward to:
- Updated Steering
- Better Suspension (Looking at the test mule, it still sits so high - where are the days of perfect stance with sport suspension like the E39 and E60 had ????)
- New Engines, more power
Sounds like you are wishing for a 6 Gran Coupe
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      10-17-2012, 11:52 PM   #93
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seems like BMW moved their LCI upgrades from 4 to 3 years!?

please dont become like audi where they change the model styling every 2 years....

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Nothing on this LCI really is that exciting IMO.

- LED headlights - nice feature but im not spending 2k getting it.
- Not a fan of squared off angel eyes, i like them round.
- Turn signals on mirrors - Not important
- Tailights look the same - Seem to have 5 slimmer horizontal tube lines like the E60 LCI

Interior will not change except for NAV update and new gauges.

Looking forward to:
- Updated Steering
- Better Suspension (Looking at the test mule, it still sits so high - where are the days of perfect stance with sport suspension like the E39 and E60 had ????)
- New Engines, more power
+1, design wise I'm not a fan of thick squared angel eyes, also the the lines above headlights seams to "steep" and aggressive for smooth lines that the car have, appearance is very audi like

The steering and engines, this I look forward how will BMW improved them. Suspension on my F11 is great, but I wanted comfort ride from beginning, thats why I'm so satisfied.
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US just got their first F10 M5s and now next year its facelifted already?

Whats going on with that hood line. I hope the hood extends all the way to the grill and headlights.
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- Tailights look the same - Seem to have 5 slimmer horizontal tube lines like the E60 LCI
Tailights are indeed the same, not slimmer (5) or different than current models. Likely they'll stay the same just get darker plastic like what happened for the F01 LCI refresh.
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As far as styling goes the F10 isn't aging as well as I thought it would. So it really does need an update. Whats even more surprising is that the E60 is aging better than I thought it would.
I disagree. I still think an Msport F10 is one of the most beautiful Bmw's on the road now next to the M6.

No part of the F10 looks dated in Msport trim. I can see how the normal 5 does look a bit boring but still far from looking dated.
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New. Headlights. Really? If you bought the car for the headlights, I'm not sure a retrofit will help you.
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As far as styling goes the F10 isn't aging as well as I thought it would. So it really does need an update. Whats even more surprising is that the E60 is aging better than I thought it would.
+1

E60 LCI models are as attractive and timeless looking as E39 LCI models. They're clean and sharp; tailored. The F10 is no doubt a beautiful and muscular car, but BMW's design language is taking on an American rounded muscle design as opposed to the timelessly European, chiseled, "shaped from a block of granite" design from before.
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I disagree. I still think an Msport F10 is one of the most beautiful Bmw's on the road now next to the M6.

No part of the F10 looks dated in Msport trim. I can see how the normal 5 does look a bit boring but still far from looking dated.
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      10-18-2012, 01:04 PM   #100
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Let me bring some real insider news(don't ask me where I got it and who I am but you will see).

Start 2nd half of next year, N55/N55HP will be replaced by an newer version of N55, power goes up ~10-15% and wil start with F32, F10 LCI and F15 X5(Sorry, no current F30 sedan), then all cars with N series L6 Turbo in the next 2-3 yrs(includes F30 LCI). This will reduce the SKU and hence lower the overall cost.

The all new N series L6 turbo engine under R&D now is coded N58, displacement very likely stays the same but while its N55 predecessor uses a single twin scroll turbocharger, the N58 is going back with twin-turbochargers again however with one twin scroll turbocharger and the other one is not! Power target is 370-400hp range. It's going to hit the market between 2016-2018(2016 the earliest), which is the perfect timing for all new 5/X3 series, F32 LCI, F15 LCI, etc...

V8 engine will stay pretty much the same, which is the current N63tu, it will replace all N63 next year, though will also get minor tune here and there and goes to 500hp club in the next 3-4 yrs. Currently not sure if displacement will stay the same after 2-3 yrs but as far as technology is not going to be any major changes.

There is also a diesel engine coded N59 under R&D but I am not a fan of diesel so not even want to bother...

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As far as styling goes the F10 isn't aging as well as I thought it would. So it really does need an update. Whats even more surprising is that the E60 is aging better than I thought it would.
that sounds rediculous, typical that these comments come from ppl who don't own the F10

the F10 is growing more and more on me every day, even when I see another non-msport passing by, I always thought they looked great

The E60 is the ugliest piece of crap BMW has ever created
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      10-18-2012, 02:17 PM   #102
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I disagree. I still think an Msport F10 is one of the most beautiful Bmw's on the road now next to the M6.

No part of the F10 looks dated in Msport trim. I can see how the normal 5 does look a bit boring but still far from looking dated.
Yeah. I was referring more towards the standard models. The problem with the F10 in my opinion is that it reminds me too much of the E39. Which looks wonderful for a 10 year old car. However its still a 10 year old car. I am not saying that the f10 is a bad looking car at all (because it isn't). All I am saying is that I don't like it now as much as I did last year.

I do think the M-sport wheels should be changed. None of them quite do it for me.
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that sounds rediculous, typical that these comments come from ppl who don't own the F10

the F10 is growing more and more on me every day, even when I see another non-msport passing by, I always thought they looked great

The E60 is the ugliest piece of crap BMW has ever created
Actually you have the typical response. Which is that of an owner trying to prove someone opinion is wrong. Feel free to continue, because I find it humorous.
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BMW do not extensive re-profile M cars in the LCi phase because it adds time and more money. The functional aerodynamics are extensively developed and to re-profile them to accomodate extensive changes would mean starting from scratch.

The M5 LCi will feature the cosmetic aspects such as LED lights etc but the car is virtually unchanged. Previous M car facelifts such as the E46 M3 and
E92 M3 were left untouched because of the work taken to reprofile the front ends of the car would mean changing the aerodynamics to suit the more upright facia.
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It seems like people in the US just started getting their M5s and they're already seeing updated, improved (subjective) versions of their new cars. That sucks
I was in the process of writing the same thing... I would be so pissed!
Meh. Lighting changes are simply cosmetic and not that major of one also. Who cares.
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As far as styling goes the F10 isn't aging as well as I thought it would. So it really does need an update. Whats even more surprising is that the E60 is aging better than I thought it would.

LOL! The car stands out on the streets especially with the msport package...Even with the car going into its 3rd year it still looks like a new model.
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New. Headlights. Really? If you bought the car for the headlights, I'm not sure a retrofit will help you.
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As far as styling goes the F10 isn't aging as well as I thought it would. So it really does need an update. Whats even more surprising is that the E60 is aging better than I thought it would.
+1

E60 LCI models are as attractive and timeless looking as E39 LCI models. They're clean and sharp; tailored. The F10 is no doubt a beautiful and muscular car, but BMW's design language is taking on an American rounded muscle design as opposed to the timelessly European, chiseled, "shaped from a block of granite" design from before.
Exactly. Personally I think this stems from them (BMW) focusing way too much on "presence". I suspect this is to attract "new money" in Russia, the Middle East, Silicon Valley, and maybe even China to an extent.
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BMW do not extensive re-profile M cars in the LCi phase because it adds time and more money. The functional aerodynamics are extensively developed and to re-profile them to accomodate extensive changes would mean starting from scratch.

The M5 LCi will feature the cosmetic aspects such as LED lights etc but the car is virtually unchanged. Previous M car facelifts such as the E46 M3 and
E92 M3 were left untouched because of the work taken to reprofile the front ends of the car would mean changing the aerodynamics to suit the more upright facia.
Does that mean the M5 will NOT get the "new re-profiled front end incorporating the latest kidney grille with that forward looking stance and thicker chrome outline brings prominence to the front of the car"?

Ditto for the new character line appearing between the upper part of the kidney grilles and the area right above the headlights, which should give the headlight/grille area a more aggressive look?
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Did the E92 M3 receive the same update as the standard E92?
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