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08-08-2012, 05:01 AM | #23 | |
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When the latter is actuated it does not activate the brake lights; normally these only illuminate to indicate that you are applying the foot brake. Therefore, I don't consider it unreasonable to expect a similar pattern in my BMW, regardless of whether it has a manual or automatic handbrake. So, to sum up, it would appear that I was indeed being serious - sorry to dash your hopes |
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As to the second and third parts of your question: if a car is at traffic lights, in stop-and-go traffic or, for that matter, any similar circumstance, the brake lights will only illuminate if the car is being held by the footbrake. If the handbrake is applied and the footbrake is released, the brake lights will go off. |
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The auto hold function does the job of the footbrake pedal (and releases instantly once the accelerator pedal is pressed). If you want something to do the job of the handbrake, why not just use the handbrake? It is quite acceptable to bring the car to a stop using the footbrake as normal and once stationary, the handbrake can be applied and the brake pedal released, even with the car remaining in D. As would be expected, this then disengages the brake lights. When ready to go, a gentle push on the accelerator automatically and imperceptibly releases the handbrake, just like with auto hold where the main brakes are gently released.
To clear up an earlier point, opening the door with the car in drive will automatically trigger P to be engaged (as a safety feature). |
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Yes...sorry about that.
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08-08-2012, 11:03 AM | #31 | |
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This is unlike cars which have traditional manual, lever actuated, handbrakes which do not illuminate the brake lights. |
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08-08-2012, 11:08 AM | #32 |
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It was me who made the point; I thank you for your clarification, but I can assure you that it isn't necessary; I'm well aware that park is automatically selected when the door is opened.
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Not quite, but I'm perfectly happy at being thought of as over polite; it's better than shooting those with whom we disagree .
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08-08-2012, 01:45 PM | #35 | |
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On the point of start stop traffic, you'd be surprised by what we Brits can do. Most people will pull up handbrakes each time... As someone has already posted, we Brits are far too polite; and I guess that is a very good thing.
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The fact that none of the manual (stick) drivers can remember this just goes to show that it is probably nowhere near as annoying as they imagine
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Try that on a typical UK winter day; rush hour traffic, 5:30pm, already dark, constant slow rain, drizzle... and the brake lights start to become annoying.
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Here we go again , this is exactly how I thought it was supposed to behave. However, to reiterate one of my earlier statements, whilst in stationary traffic on Monday, with the car in D, foot off the brake and auto-hold engaged, from the reflection in the car behind, I clearly saw that my brake lights were on. This was confirmed when I noted that they went off when I pulled away.
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My subsequent confusion arose from noticing that this is inconsistent; sometimes they remain on and on other occasions they go off. I have checked this on the odd occasion and at all times with the car in D, foot off the brake and in auto-hold. Granted, it's not always possible to be 100% certain from the reflection in the car behind, so with this in mind, I shall perform a definitive test with the aid of someone observing from behind. |
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I don't know why you're experiencing inconsistencies with the brake lights under auto hold. For me, every time auto hold engages, the brake lights are always illuminited (and this is exactly what I would expect). Are you also knocking the car into P or is your routine exactly the same every time? One thing I haven't tried is to allow auto hold to engage and then apply the hand/parking/electro-mechanical brake and release the foot pedal. Will the lights be on or off? |
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