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10-05-2018, 02:13 PM | #1 |
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Stage 0 for 535 N55 n00bs
This is meant for folks like myself who are new to this and trying to get their new car to a clean baseline, get to stage 1, and then figure the advanced stuff later.
It took me a ton of reading from a lot of disparate sources , this post is me hoping to save the next rookie a lot of time by putting what seems to be all the generally accepted wisdom in one place. I thought I'd find something like this by now but never did. This 101-level info will bore the hell out of the majority of people on here, but I’m all ears for any edits/additions I can make. Hopefully edits are more about adding more nuggets/trivia, rather than me having my head up my a$$… Stage 0: - Plugs and coils: OEM is fine through at least Stage 1, search for “colder plugs” to understand when you’ll need to upgrade to those. Plugs due around 60k normally, as low as 15k when tunedStage 1: - Stage 1 can add 50-70hp to your N55 and run on stock parts. It’ll push everything that much harder, which is why you should complete your stage 0 stuff to start.Stage 2 and on: - This is where you’re pushing the car a lot harder for more power. You can’t do it on stock parts, and this is generally something you shouldn’t do until you really understand your car. In the meantime, understand FBO (full bolt on) as the basic set of enhancements of certain stock parts that allow for increased power through the tune, create some extra power themselves, and create more reliability. Here goes: |
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Thank you for the post.
I new with my f10 535i and i want to get more power out of it. i'm planing on saving for a a charge pipe and down pipes. I agree with you its tones of reading just to find out the right info.
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10-09-2018, 08:43 PM | #4 |
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Stage 1 just go with tune of choice. Do not go Stage 2 on a stock turbo.
Stage 2 upgrade your turbo, BEF, FMIC, DV+, CP(I think the DP is optional at this point) Stage 3 Turbo, FMIC, BEF, CP, DP, LPFP and PI, JB4
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Why should we not go stage 2 on stock turbo? i tought the turbo can handle the boost up to stage 3 on stock turbos?
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my car is a 2010 f10 535i with 80k miles on it.
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Also I understand BEF (back end flash) add a lot of goodies but is not necessary whatsoever for someone running stage 2 using just pump gas, etc... |
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Force2013 If you have 80k then stay with stage 1 tune. The turbo stock with no tune is probably good for 80-100k before things start leaking and if the car has been driven softly maybe more. Now imagine stressing the turbo with a tune and see how long it lasts. CP is a piece of mind thing. I ran my car hard on the stock CP and zero problems on all my beemers. Recently I upgraded because I upgraded my turbo. You can still add a DP but it wasn't a huge improvement for me, the smell was undesirable and in my opinion not a great trade off for a DD. The only turbo you should consider is Pure Stage2.
burro_blasta no one is ever going to mention that they blew a turbo especially the distributor themselves. Take it from me who's been through several beta and proven tunes, if you're going beyond stage 1 on the N55 upgrade the turbo. BEF stands for Backend Flash. MHD is a BEF. Anything that flashes is BEF. BEF is more than just extra bells and whistles in fact, you could say a JB4 is bells and whistles. BEF is actually the preferred way to get the most power out of your car. A JB4 and BEF is a common setup. As a note to both of you guys; you don't have to upgrade your hardware if you want to push to stage 2. Don't let me discourage you. Just know that the life of your turbo will vary and you should be prepared for that. One guy might get 20-30k before the turbo dies and another might get 50k. Remember, tuning is a pay-to-play sport. Maybe you can stay with a stock turbo on stage 2 if you upgrade the FMIC and DP to keep the 1000 degree temps off the stock turbo. Also note that even with the best BEF on a stock turbo the F10 N55 ECU at best can put out peak 330whp and that's pushing it really hard. BTW I said peak, it doesn't hold to redline. 400whp to redline becomes real with a PS2 and maybe 500whp with a PS2 and a upgraded fuel system.
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Helpful stuff, thanks. If the turbo starts failing 20k-50k more, any reason not to drive the car that long then replace when needed? ie, get up to 50k more for free...unless a failing turbo causes a lot of other problems if you're late to notice/fix it?
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Yeah I'm mean thats what I basically did. Drive it until the wheels fall off.
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stage 2 with dp, cp, fmic, jb4 and bm3 on stock turbo. Nobody would hold out till a stage 3 to buy jb4. The earlier you buy jb4 the better imo. You can use it at the very least to monitor your car better. |
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